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Credit Card Signatures Are About to Become Extinct in the U.S

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Re: Credit Card Signatures Are About to Become Extinct in the U.S

#21

Also please make handing me a receipt extinct too or only if requested. Especially at drive thru(s) where the receipts become trash I later have to do work .. aka clean up this annoying trash in my car.

Doesn't a drive thru also hand you a disposable bag filled with a bunch of other stuff that's about to become trash- napkins, wrappers, straws, etc...? Just toss it in there dude, try not to let it bother you.

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It would be nice if they would start requiring a PIN.

The kind of fraud prevented by a PIN enabled chip card is supposedly pretty rare. What would be more useful is a standard for browser attached chip card readers to bring the anti-fraud protections of a chip card to everyday Internet transactions.

This already exists. If EMV specified an X.509 certificate instead of a proprietary one, then we could be doing card-present transactions over the Internet right now thanks to TLS client certificates.

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#23

It turns out that a signature on a bank check means nothing. Neither does the payer name on the check. Not the amount in cursive. Nor does the check paper. The only things that are checked are the digits of the amount, and the account number. The rest of the check can be complete garbage, and the check will go through and the bank will pay it. Then the banks will blame you, the account holder. I learned this the hard…

What happened next? Don’t want to try it.

Re: Credit Card Signatures Are About to Become Extinct in the U.S

#24
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the time a signature isn’t for verification but rather for acknowledgment. I don’t give two shits what you put down as a signature, I just want a record that you consciously were present and signed something, so I don’t get accused of trying to pass off something quietly that you never agreed to. If I have some scribble you made at a time and place, the onus is on you to prove it wasn’t you who did that.

Actually, it's the other way around. The credit card company, and by extension the merchant, have to prove that's your scribble. Here's one way to think about it. If it was the way you suggest then all an identity theif would have to do is to draw something on the dotted line and all of a sudden you're in a position where you have to prove your innocence.

The merchant can pull up the cctv. A signature becomes more damning if a neutral third party witnessed you signing the document.

Re: Credit Card Signatures Are About to Become Extinct in the U.S

#25
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From experience, a signature in the checkout line usually takes about 5-10 seconds. Removing it may seem like a small negligible change for users, but for retailers, it most likely adds up. Imagine being able to pick up your receipt and leave. What I see being the stalwart of signatures are probably restaurants. They require that extra step with the tip.

> From experience, a signature in the checkout line usually takes about 5-10 seconds. Removing it may seem like a small negligible change for users, but for retailers, it most likely adds up. Your right, can we also remove that stupid bag tax in SF. It easily takes 20 - 30 seconds per transaction. "Do you want a bag?" "Ugh, yeah I do" "Alright that's 50 cents" "wait, could I get three bags, not two - I don't want my…

I think the policy is working as designed.

The grating, low-grade, annoying, time-wasting inconvenience is supposed to continue to irritate the purchaser until they decide to bring their own bags.

Re: Credit Card Signatures Are About to Become Extinct in the U.S

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From experience, a signature in the checkout line usually takes about 5-10 seconds. Removing it may seem like a small negligible change for users, but for retailers, it most likely adds up. Imagine being able to pick up your receipt and leave. What I see being the stalwart of signatures are probably restaurants. They require that extra step with the tip.

We have PayWave in Singapore where you can just swipe your credit card for amounts under 100$, but most of the time you have to wait pretty long for the approval to go through, it feels a bit like the time benefit is eaten up by that. Only very few merchants have fast lines, but then it’s really fun!

Re: Credit Card Signatures Are About to Become Extinct in the U.S

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From experience, a signature in the checkout line usually takes about 5-10 seconds. Removing it may seem like a small negligible change for users, but for retailers, it most likely adds up. Imagine being able to pick up your receipt and leave. What I see being the stalwart of signatures are probably restaurants. They require that extra step with the tip.

> From experience, a signature in the checkout line usually takes about 5-10 seconds. Removing it may seem like a small negligible change for users, but for retailers, it most likely adds up. Your right, can we also remove that stupid bag tax in SF. It easily takes 20 - 30 seconds per transaction. "Do you want a bag?" "Ugh, yeah I do" "Alright that's 50 cents" "wait, could I get three bags, not two - I don't want my…

Around Washington state they ask you at the end how many bags you got.

Makes a lot more sense. :)

I have also seen stores that put a barcode on the bag and the bag gets scanned just like any other item. That, IMHO, is the best way to go.

Re: Credit Card Signatures Are About to Become Extinct in the U.S

#29
There’s something missing from this article.

When you sign a receipt, you’re not just providing a sample of your signature for comparison against the one on the card. You are signing a document, usually saying that ‘I agree to comply with the terms of the cardholder agreement’

If this is no longer necessary, the card issuers must have determined that they have other legal agreements which cover purchases, and that the signature on each transaction is not necessary.

Also missing is a discussion of why PINs are not seen by the banks as an obvious next step.

Re: Credit Card Signatures Are About to Become Extinct in the U.S

#30
Actually, doing away with the signature seems a bit odd, given all the machine learning flying around. An electronic signature that records the speed strokes in the signature are made, as well as the final result, is probably a really good way of identifying the purchaser. Of course then a lot of the smaller merchants would have to upgrade their 90's era dial-up credit card processing.
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