Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook Pro for developer?

news.ycombinator.com

401–410 of 502 posts

Re: Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook Pro for developer?

#401
post #385

I recently migrated from a mid-2013 MBP, primarily because I was increasingly disgusted with the lack of control over my own system. I knew (more or less) what I was getting into when I bought it, but that choice grated as it needed work. The battery had pretty much gone, and not only wasn't something I could fix, but the Apple stores I visited didn't carry the part. Turns out it's not just the glued-in battery, but…

The real kicker is that the P51 with a Xeon E3-1535M v6, 64GB ECC RAM, Quadro M2200, 1TB SSD, and 4K screen costs about $500 less than the 15" MBP with 1TB storage. The weight difference compared to "thin and light" 15 inch models isn't even that dramatic, it's all of one and a half pounds heavier than the MBP or one pound heavier than the XPS 15.

Exactly. It is a shame that the Thinkpad P* series is not as widely known. I have a P71 myself (exchanged the new MBP for it with no regret).

Re: Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook Pro for developer?

#402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do your co-workers not have issues with HiDPI support on Linux? I've heard it's not the best experience and can require quite some fiddling to get working correctly.

HiDPI on Linux is pretty much non existent. I am telling from experience. I have booth a decent 4K external monitor and a HiDPI IPS internal display. The only setup which is ok in the sense of least horrible is Gnome mutter Wayland with experimental per monitor fractional scaling enabled. And this one is only ok if you can restrict yourself to the few ported pure GTK3 Gnome apps. Which means not that much. No Firefox…

Huh? I've been running a 2x/192dpi Linux/X11 laptop for a couple of years, and the experience has been near perfect. Hands down better than on Windows. Some DEs even detect the panel DPI and configure toolkit scaling automatically. Firefox and Chrome have been two of the most well-behaved apps, especially since they switched to GTK3, but it's not just GTK3 that is well-behaved, Qt5 is as well. Since most apps I use are Qt5 and some are GTK3, they all get crisp HiDPI rendering automatically from the toolkit.

So I'm not sure what you mean by "HiDPI on Linux is pretty much non existent." Maybe it gets worse if you need fractional scaling or displays with different scaling ratios, but these seem to things all platforms are struggling with. Microsoft only made built-in apps like File Explorer per-monitor-DPI aware in Windows 10 1703 (released a year ago), and macOS doesn't attempt fractional scaling (eg. 1.5x, 2.5x, etc.) at all.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook Pro for developer?

#403
post #209
post #87

Not a hardware req, but I've recently become quite enamored with Win 10 + WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux) after years of using a Mac. WSL lets you run a lightweight Linux shell (Ubuntu, SUSE, Kali are supported atm) without a VM. It's purely for command-line purposes, no X, but that's fine for me. Windows for UI, then I can run all my bash in the Ubuntu shell almost seamlessly. You can run the shell directly from s…

I couldn’t find a terminal I liked on windows. Got any suggestions?

DomTerm (https://domterm.org) works pretty well on WSL. Here is an article specifically about it: https://dzone.com/articles/running-domterm-terminal-emulator...

Re: Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook Pro for developer?

#404
I'm quite happy with my Chuwi 12.3 LapBook on which I installed Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. It cost me less than $300 -- display is really nice, comes with 6 GB RAM. I upgraded the 64 GB of storage with a 256 GB m.2 card, which cost about another $100.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook Pro for developer?

#405
Has anyone used the HP ZBook Studio? It looks ok, but I've never heard much about it. https://store.hp.com/us/en/mdp/laptops/zbook-studio-mobile-w...

Also I would look into these

MateBook X Pro - 14 inch 3x2 screen! I may buy it just for that alone. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh8qvqFVVbc)

Dell XPS 15(9570) - Same crap keyboard, but available for pre-order in a couple weeks and linux support should be good. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqeIPp8Zkg0)

Thinkpad t480s - almost perfect but screen is a tad to short/small.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook Pro for developer?

#406
I'm very happy with my (previous-generation) HP Spectre x360. Lightweight, 16GB memory, 512GB SSD (you can get up to 2TB now, but what I have is plenty for me), Thunderbolt 3, convertible to tent or tablet mode, good battery life. I dual-boot Fedora and Windows 10. And the prices are quite reasonable.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook Pro for developer?

#407
post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Mind you, the xps 13 doesn't seem to have the same problems. Maybe not the same but I've also had bad time with 13. Coil whine, 10 seconds to dell logo after pressing power button (sic!) and u had one firmware update that bricked the laptop. Fortunately it was still under warranty. And don't get me even started on accessories (TB15 was a disaster that should've been recalled).

I have an XPS 13 and also cannot recommend it. Same deal with the coil whine (it's a very annoying buzz sound). After a while, my battery began to swell too, which has broken the touchpad and visibly elevated the keyboard.

I have an XPS 15 (>2 years old) and also had battery swell, which made the trackpad unusable along with other safety concerns. Dell decided to replace the batteries for the 84wh model for free, but not for the 56wh model, which is very disappointing...

Also the throttling in the XPS 15 is real. Even with the 960m I can't even run light games on it because of frequent fps drops... And the BIOS was pretty unstable for the first year (laptop running fans at maximum while in sleep mode, while getting really hot inside my bag), with lots of coil whine. Overall, I am very disappointed in the overall build quality of it (I previously had a 2010 macbook pro and had no problems). Going to try a Lenovo for my next laptop (it seems to have less build quality issues)

Re: Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook Pro for developer?

#408
> Performance of the computer is quite important for me. I'm an Android developer, compilation of a big project I'm working on takes enormous amount of RAM and CPU nowadays (with new Android Studio it's even worse).

Buy a powerful desktop PC and you’ll have a few bucks left over. Seriously, I don’t understand why developers continue to shortchange themselves by using laptops for heavy workloads. If you have to work away from your office, Remote Desktop to your desktop machine from your old laptop.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook Pro for developer?

#409

Gaming laptops make great developer workstations. I love my MSI GS63VR. Nice having real CPU and GPU horse power in a laptop. I threw linux on it right away and never looked back. It has all the ports (HDMI, mini-dp, and USB-C), even ethernet. It's as slim as a MBP and much lighter. The trackpad and battery life suck though, and at 180W, don't try to use it on a plane. The Razor Blade series is really good too.

What's the battery life like on the stealth?

Re: Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook Pro for developer?

#410
You know what I want;

A hybrid laptop+cloud machine. I.E. I want to buy a machine that includes a certain amount of cloud compute with it. and storage.

Imagine having a machine that comes with X# of cores and Y RAM and Z storage included in the price of the machine.

Every time you turn that machine on, it "mounts" that VPC that is included with it and you can dev local, and push to your VPC at will.

I want my machine to be virtual, even though I am physically in possession of it.

Post reply on HN