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The Subway Is So Late, It’s Making New Yorkers Early

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Re: The Subway Is So Late, It’s Making New Yorkers Early

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I'm confused as to why the US seems to fail or fall so far behind in infrastructure compared to other developed nations. It seems that we throw money at our problems but seemingly get nowhere. It's sad because there's many amazing things about this country, but we cannot do basic things like make trains run on time.

I'm throwing darts at the wall here, but I think part of the problem is our sprawl and geographic size/car culture. In the typical US city you have the wealthier suburbanites living in separate towns/counties than the city they work in. This segregates the local funding because no one wants to pay for someone else's projects. And state funding doesn't benefit you as directly (e.g. state highway projects) and probably…

The personal car took over America for a reason: it's the fastest and most pleasant way to get around. Cities only start to seriously entertain public transit when they hit car culture's scaling limits. New York passed those long ago, so the more interesting question is why they can't maintain what they already have. Unlike a typical American city, Manhattan is richer and more expensive than its outlying bedroom communities, and transit access is a premium feature of luxury real estate rather than a handout to the destitute. I don't think your explanation works in this case.

Re: The Subway Is So Late, It’s Making New Yorkers Early

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To me (as a life long New Yorker) this is yet another sign of our decaying society - our crumbling empire. I've often wondered if the people of Rome understood that their empire was crumbling. Did they actually see the signs as it happened, or did it occur in such a way that the slow-motion decline wasn't sharply felt? The problems here aren't just the subways. The roads, the bridges and other infrastructure are also…

Increased demand for the subway is not a sign of decaying society, it's a sign of prosperity and growth. It's a sign that people feel more safe using the system and living in New York, and that there are more opportunities for people living there. I for one would much rather live in a NY dealing with some temporary growth success issues than live in NY during the 70s (or really, any time before).

I've lived in New York City for over 40 years. If you view crumbling infrastructure, 44% of NYC residents living at or near the poverty line and soaring homelessness as signs of "prosperity", that's your prerogative.

https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-city/nyc-homeless-popula...

I suggest you fly into Laguardia airport to see some world class prosperity.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/2015/07/28/lag...

http://abc7ny.com/traffic/traffic-nightmare-for-drivers-head...

If you want to enjoy even more "prosperity", you can pay $344 a month to ride the LIRR (as long as you don't have to get anywhere on time).

https://nypost.com/2018/03/15/last-years-lirr-delays-cost-ri...

Re: The Subway Is So Late, It’s Making New Yorkers Early

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What does it exactly mean for a subway that's supposed to run every 3-5 minutes to be "late"? Are NY metro trains so infrequent that a schedule is that important?

It's a cascading failure issue. Toronto has the same problem, on a smaller scale. What I see here: Step 1: a train gets delayed for a minute somewhere on the line. A dozen common reasons exist- someone becomes ill, mechanical issue, debris on the tracks, etc. Step 2: Because it's rush hour, there's minimal buffer time between trains so the train behind it must also stop (and the one behind it, and the one behind it,…

The subway equivalent of gridlock :(

Re: The Subway Is So Late, It’s Making New Yorkers Early

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To me (as a life long New Yorker) this is yet another sign of our decaying society - our crumbling empire. I've often wondered if the people of Rome understood that their empire was crumbling. Did they actually see the signs as it happened, or did it occur in such a way that the slow-motion decline wasn't sharply felt? The problems here aren't just the subways. The roads, the bridges and other infrastructure are also…

Increased demand for the subway is not a sign of decaying society, it's a sign of prosperity and growth. It's a sign that people feel more safe using the system and living in New York, and that there are more opportunities for people living there. I for one would much rather live in a NY dealing with some temporary growth success issues than live in NY during the 70s (or really, any time before).

The problems with the subway are not due to excess demand. Delays and closures have been rising far faster than ridership.

Re: The Subway Is So Late, It’s Making New Yorkers Early

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It's interesting seeing the ways people work around this, even for people who don't have hard start/end times (e.g. tech employees). I have one friend who uses Citi Bike to get to important meetings I think people who don't live in the city don't realize how (relatively) stressful it can be when the trains are late. Riding the train during peak hours is already a pretty stressful experience: The sardine analogy is ve…

I just work from home most days now because of how bad it has gotten. I had to move back to Queens a few months ago near where I grew up and the trip to SoHo that used to take at most 45 minutes is now 60-90 min. A few times I was stuck on the E for around 2.5 hours. Living in the outer boroughs has become a huge disadvantage.

lol, I can drive from bear mountain to downtown manhattan in 60-90 minutes. Usually that involves finding a carefully chosen parking garage and walking fast, but still quick and painless

Re: The Subway Is So Late, It’s Making New Yorkers Early

#58

I'm confused as to why the US seems to fail or fall so far behind in infrastructure compared to other developed nations. It seems that we throw money at our problems but seemingly get nowhere. It's sad because there's many amazing things about this country, but we cannot do basic things like make trains run on time.

Most transit projects are funded at a state level, but the townies outside of cities vote down every initiative because they "don't want to pay fer those gal-dern city slickers and their fancy jerbs." They're blissfully unaware that the city folk subsidize their entire existence through taxes.

At least, that's how it works here in Washington State.

Re: The Subway Is So Late, It’s Making New Yorkers Early

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I took a trip to ny last week and the area i was staying at (near trump tower, off lexington), the closest subways were the 2/3/E/M but apparently on Saturday the 2 and 3 weren't available going downtown, so I had to walk a block or so to get to another line to get where I was going. Then I was in Brooklyn to watch a show that night, we got out around 9PM and was trying to figure out how to get back into the city, th…

> Seemed like the locals knew about this though. I think about this a lot. I know what it means when the AC is rerouted along the F to West 4th and can plan accordingly. How the hell is a tourist supposed to figure out how to get to Fulton?

NYC needs to be like the tube in London. When I'm at a platform, I expect to see the exact route of the train. No guesswork. The NYC system needs more redundant labeling. Don't assume tourists will see the 1st or 2nd sign. Just keep posting them clearly with too much detail

Re: The Subway Is So Late, It’s Making New Yorkers Early

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moscow, Tokyo, Seoul and Beijing would disagree with you there...

Yeah, I just got back from Japan and ended up transiting four of the five busiest train stations in the world(we did not visit Yokohama). My takeaway; the US will "never" have great public transit. Other than bus issues in Kyoto due to the amount of tourists visiting shrines(205, 59, etc) it was.. eye opening. BARTs issues and costs are a joke. NYs reliability is a joke. We are not in the same league. Many countries…

Ye moving to Moscow it's been great how cheap the metro is here, and it's reliable and very rarely packed. London is good but the price of Moscow beats it.

I know for the underground, all profit is reinvested, maybe that's the problem in America? Many contractors all wanting their share? At the end of the day you just have to accept that while a good public transport system looks like a big loss on paper, it brings so many benefits.

Too often, excuses are made, and nothing gets done, and then the next election cycle, the same decision is made until the problem starts to appear insurmountable.

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