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Paypal is holding over 600,000 euros from the minecraft developer

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Re: Paypal is holding over 600,000 euros from the minecraft developer

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Post by pmichaud »

zumda wrote: post #46
die_sekte wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's Google Checkout and Amazon Payments, neither of which work outside the US. There's also AlertPay, which is apparently used by IPREDator and which is sometimes used by 7chan. I'm not sure whether I trust them more than PayPal.

There is also Moneybookers[1], though they aren't free of horror stories either. [1] http://www.moneybookers.com

When I asked, that was kind of my point: There are alternatives, but nothing that works internationally except places that we don't have any reason to expect to be more reliable than paypal is(n't).

Re: Paypal is holding over 600,000 euros from the minecraft developer

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Post by [deleted] »

loewenskind wrote: post #41
[deleted] wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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So you call most of the people who've ever claimed to have a problem with PayPal liars (unsurprisingly no less) and the nearest thing to a citation you provide for this claim is an anecdote and some naive pop legal analysis about "if they were bad they would get shut down!"? Stay classy. EDIT: Fixed faulty word selection.

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Re: Paypal is holding over 600,000 euros from the minecraft developer

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Post by DavidPP »

jakewalker wrote: post #44
laverick wrote: post #21

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So he's sold 60k prepurchases at EUR 9.95 in a little over two weeks?! Holy cow. Found some stats - http://www.minecraft.net/stats.jsp

Prepurchases? Pretty sure that could be the problem - - PayPal doesn't permit charging someone for goods that aren't going to ship immediately.

It's not exactly a prepurchase since for 13$ you get access to the alpha version.

Re: Paypal is holding over 600,000 euros from the minecraft developer

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Post by jacquesm »

loewenskind wrote: post #41
[deleted] wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[deleted]

So you call most of the people who've ever claimed to have a problem with PayPal liars (unsurprisingly no less) and the nearest thing to a citation you provide for this claim is an anecdote and some naive pop legal analysis about "if they were bad they would get shut down!"? Stay classy. EDIT: Fixed faulty word selection.

s/lairs/liars and antidote/anecdote and it makes more sense.

touchscreen?

Re: Paypal is holding over 600,000 euros from the minecraft developer

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Post by mattmanser »

jacquesm wrote: post #45
mattmanser wrote: post #5

At least he's a known internet guy, it's pretty clear where the money is coming from and this post alone will get paypal to sort it immediately. But why do you have to be a celeb to get decent support from paypal? Freezing over half a million euros and they don't even assign him a dedicated support person? They don't call him? Disgraceful.

> it's pretty clear where the money is coming from and this post alone will get paypal to sort it immediately. I wouldn't bank on that. It's possible, but by no means sure. > But why do you have to be a celeb to get decent support from paypal? Consider the fact that he is a celebrity and does not get decent support, you can imagine how it is for the rest of the world. Especially when you're not in the US. > Freezing…

Minecraft games sales.

Unless the whole minecraft thing is a cunningly disguised money laundering scheme for the illegal sale of fjords to rich American businessmen...

We've heard this one before, a surge in sales triggers Paypal's fraud systems.

Re: Paypal is holding over 600,000 euros from the minecraft developer

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Post by jacquesm »

mattmanser wrote: post #55
jacquesm wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's pretty clear where the money is coming from and this post alone will get paypal to sort it immediately. I wouldn't bank on that. It's possible, but by no means sure. > But why do you have to be a celeb to get decent support from paypal? Consider the fact that he is a celebrity and does not get decent support, you can imagine how it is for the rest of the world. Especially when you're not in the US. > Freezing…

Minecraft games sales. Unless the whole minecraft thing is a cunningly disguised money laundering scheme for the illegal sale of fjords to rich American businessmen... We've heard this one before, a surge in sales triggers Paypal's fraud systems.

So what? In my case it was a bunch of newspaper articles about our website that made us grow quite a bit in a short time. A surge is not always fraud related and in the case of an account with long history of being 'in good standing' it is not entirely unexpected to do a bit of follow up after you've frozen the account 'just in case'.

Unfortunately paypal and courtesy only appear in the same sentence when there is a negative in there somewhere.

Re: Paypal is holding over 600,000 euros from the minecraft developer

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Post by loewenskind »

jacquesm wrote: post #54
loewenskind wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you call most of the people who've ever claimed to have a problem with PayPal liars (unsurprisingly no less) and the nearest thing to a citation you provide for this claim is an anecdote and some naive pop legal analysis about "if they were bad they would get shut down!"? Stay classy. EDIT: Fixed faulty word selection.

s/lairs/liars and antidote/anecdote and it makes more sense. touchscreen?

Sadly, no. Defeated by spell-check. :(

Re: Paypal is holding over 600,000 euros from the minecraft developer

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Post by mattmanser »

jacquesm wrote: post #57
mattmanser wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Minecraft games sales. Unless the whole minecraft thing is a cunningly disguised money laundering scheme for the illegal sale of fjords to rich American businessmen... We've heard this one before, a surge in sales triggers Paypal's fraud systems.

So what? In my case it was a bunch of newspaper articles about our website that made us grow quite a bit in a short time. A surge is not always fraud related and in the case of an account with long history of being 'in good standing' it is not entirely unexpected to do a bit of follow up after you've frozen the account 'just in case'. Unfortunately paypal and courtesy only appear in the same sentence when there is a…

Ah, sorry, misunderstanding what you meant, you meant paypal sorting it out, I thought you were talking about where the sales were coming from.

Re: Paypal is holding over 600,000 euros from the minecraft developer

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Post by eru »

jacquesm wrote: post #47
acabal wrote: post #6

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That's the rub--Paypal is not a bank . They can do whatever they want with the virtual money that is exchanged on their servers. Which is why a real merchant account is the only serious option for a larger-scale business.

Paypal actually is a bank, just not in all jurisdictions. As for the 'virtual money', it's not virtual, it's real. They run what is technically called a wallet system. A real merchant account is of course an option, but the transaction fees can be quite high, there is the charge-back risk and a whole pile of regulatory hoops to go through before you can get that to work. Larger scale businesses have plenty of users f…

Yes, in Germany you could probably get away with just a normal bank account and accepting direct bank transfers.
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