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Paypal is holding over 600,000 euros from the minecraft developer

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Re: Paypal is holding over 600,000 euros from the minecraft developer

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Another Paypal horror story added to the list. If someone was wondering (as i did), no, he didn't let 600k on his paypal account. That's what he's earned since they limited his account 25th august. See http://twitter.com/Toucanator/status/24089600756 and http://twitter.com/xnotch/statuses/24089647124 . EDIT: Minecraft complete steam sales data,amazing: http://m00d.net/minecraft/sales/

So he's sold 60k prepurchases at EUR 9.95 in a little over two weeks?! Holy cow.

Found some stats - http://www.minecraft.net/stats.jsp

Re: Paypal is holding over 600,000 euros from the minecraft developer

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Google is trying to create their own payment system. It hasn't gotten much traction. Why don't they go ahead and support countries throughout the world (if they want to leave out a FEW places like North Korea that would be fine)? Seems to me that then they would have a ready-made constituency. Not to mention pleasing a huge number of Android developers. Yet they don't do this... Why? There must be something difficult or dangerous about it, but what? Does anyone know the answer?

Re: Paypal is holding over 600,000 euros from the minecraft developer

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The "paypal blocked my money" stories are frequent. I'm curious to which extent this is legal. I'm pretty sure a bank isn't allowed to block access to your accounts without a formal request from a legal entity. Paypal doesn't "own" the money. This sounds to me as extremely abusive. Is that this frequent?

That's the rub--Paypal is not a bank . They can do whatever they want with the virtual money that is exchanged on their servers. Which is why a real merchant account is the only serious option for a larger-scale business.

Well, you can bet this kind of experience would quickly convince somebody to add alternative billing/donation options :)

Re: Paypal is holding over 600,000 euros from the minecraft developer

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What.. just bought Minecraft last week, awesome :)

Hope he gets this sorted out.. Also i think it's quite interesting to see one person making such an amount of money with an alpha version of a game that has not much content and graphics from the last century but fun gameplay. EA and friends should learn from this.

Re: Paypal is holding over 600,000 euros from the minecraft developer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the rub--Paypal is not a bank . They can do whatever they want with the virtual money that is exchanged on their servers. Which is why a real merchant account is the only serious option for a larger-scale business.

They are a bank in Europe, just not the US. Sounds like the whole legal status in the US is a bit of a mess really: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PayPal#Regulation

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Re: Paypal is holding over 600,000 euros from the minecraft developer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to me he could switch to Google Checkout or Amazon Payments in the meantime until the situation gets resolved.

Neither of those have good support for countries outside the US. It's sad, but to date there's still no good alternative to Paypal. They suck but they're also the best.

I didn't realize that...in that case, I volunteer to let him use my PayPal account!

Re: Paypal is holding over 600,000 euros from the minecraft developer

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the rub--Paypal is not a bank . They can do whatever they want with the virtual money that is exchanged on their servers. Which is why a real merchant account is the only serious option for a larger-scale business.

They are a bank in Europe, just not the US. Sounds like the whole legal status in the US is a bit of a mess really: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PayPal#Regulation

I stand corrected, good to know!

Re: Paypal is holding over 600,000 euros from the minecraft developer

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The "paypal blocked my money" stories are frequent. I'm curious to which extent this is legal. I'm pretty sure a bank isn't allowed to block access to your accounts without a formal request from a legal entity. Paypal doesn't "own" the money. This sounds to me as extremely abusive. Is that this frequent?

Can anyone explain how PayPal is not constantly in court defending against class action law suits? No lawyer anywhere has considered the possibility of a massive payout from representing all of the clients over the world whose money PayPal has swallowed without explanation? Or, somehow, PayPal has managed to craft contracts so legally airtight that they can do absolutely anything with anyone's money with absolutely no legal obligations on their part?

It seems like the latter, but that seems to indicate that the legal systems of the world are fundamentally broken.

Re: Paypal is holding over 600,000 euros from the minecraft developer

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post #22

Google is trying to create their own payment system. It hasn't gotten much traction. Why don't they go ahead and support countries throughout the world (if they want to leave out a FEW places like North Korea that would be fine)? Seems to me that then they would have a ready-made constituency. Not to mention pleasing a huge number of Android developers. Yet they don't do this... Why? There must be something difficult…

Achieving reliable fraud detection is apparently very hard

Re: Paypal is holding over 600,000 euros from the minecraft developer

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How do people not know that Paypal does this by now? Wouldn't you want to avoid Paypal?

The problem is that it's difficult to find a better solution.

If all goes well, Paypal is generally by far the best option.

If all goes poorly... not so much.

But for most, it goes well.

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