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In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

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Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

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Post by odnforthday »

DataWorker wrote: post #2

This is very similar the stories one hears regarding NIMBYism in the Silicon Valley. Hard working, successful immigrants seem to subscribe the just world hypothesis, exactly as one might predict. Their tolerance for those who aren’t able to do the same is pretty low from what I’ve seen. If they can come here poor and in a generation become millionaires and buy a home in California of all places, then why can’t everyo…

Here's the part I don't buy. She says Irvine is made up of 45% Asians, but the protesters are mainly immigrants. Unless all 45% are first-generations, then what she said doesn't add up. She uses the word immigrant only twice in the article, near the top, with little proof backing her statement. Those that she interview have Asian names, but that doesn't mean they are immigrants.

By using the word immigrant, she made the article sensational. She tried to turn the protest into a topic of race, rather than simply stating Irvine residents don't want a homeless shelter in the neighborhood.

Are most immigrants intolerant of homeless in Irvine? That's rather absolute to be true. What about the other 40% whites? Do all of them approve of the homeless shelter? 40% vs 45% are about the same weight, but she chose to focus on only one side of the story. It would be more correct to state: Irvine, made up of 45% Asian ethnicity, fights back against homeless shelter.

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

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Post by zeth___ »

api wrote: post #10
zeth___ wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If they can come here poor and in a generation become millionaires and buy a home in California of all places, then why can’t everyone else. If they can do it here, why couldn't they do it back home?

Political corruption, totalitarianism.

Plenty of people got rich in China.

Sounds like excuses from people who just couldn't cut it.

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

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Post by tcoff91 »

kimco wrote: post #5

Is there any data on what is driving this? How much of this is due to the cost to rent? Is California a homeless destination due to climate and general tolerance to homeless camps...etc?

California is definitely a destination for homeless people due to climate and tolerance.

There is a practice known as Greyhound Therapy where many cities around the country put mentally ill people on a bus and just ship them off to be someone else’s problem. Many times they pick California because they know that the homeless person would be better off there.

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

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Post by lykr0n »

neonhomer wrote: post #3

> a dentist with offices in Irvine and Orange, said he paid about $5,000 to sponsor seven buses… I understand this dentist wanted to protect his neighborhood in his mind, but it's really sad if he's not donating any money to actually help the homeless.

I don't think $5k will do much in a state that spends far beyond that per person.

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

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Post by chrischen »

DataWorker wrote: post #2

This is very similar the stories one hears regarding NIMBYism in the Silicon Valley. Hard working, successful immigrants seem to subscribe the just world hypothesis, exactly as one might predict. Their tolerance for those who aren’t able to do the same is pretty low from what I’ve seen. If they can come here poor and in a generation become millionaires and buy a home in California of all places, then why can’t everyo…

You can’t expect them to have the solutions for a societal problem. The fact that there isn’t affordable housing and job opportunities for these homeless is a failing of the US government, not Irving’s government, and definitely not of that local community.

However if all the homeless congregate in that area, it’s an unfair burden to that community from a problem caused by a failing of the government. They have the right to complain, and they don’t have the responsibility to accept that burden alone. They can certainly take action to remove the burden without being blamed because no other community will step up to the plate.

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

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Post by well-here-we »

kimco wrote: post #5

Is there any data on what is driving this? How much of this is due to the cost to rent? Is California a homeless destination due to climate and general tolerance to homeless camps...etc?

There are even programs in various cities in the middle of the country that will pay to bus homeless people to California. And then those states try to stop all federal funding on homelessnes.

California is housing the country’s homeless, federal funding should be taking care of most of this problem.

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

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Post by chrischen »

odnforthday wrote: post #11
DataWorker wrote: post #2

This is very similar the stories one hears regarding NIMBYism in the Silicon Valley. Hard working, successful immigrants seem to subscribe the just world hypothesis, exactly as one might predict. Their tolerance for those who aren’t able to do the same is pretty low from what I’ve seen. If they can come here poor and in a generation become millionaires and buy a home in California of all places, then why can’t everyo…

Here's the part I don't buy. She says Irvine is made up of 45% Asians, but the protesters are mainly immigrants. Unless all 45% are first-generations, then what she said doesn't add up. She uses the word immigrant only twice in the article, near the top, with little proof backing her statement. Those that she interview have Asian names, but that doesn't mean they are immigrants. By using the word immigrant, she made…

She almost definitely categorized non-whites as “immigrants” based on assumption, simply based on the fact that I highly doubt she conducted a background survey of the protesters.

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

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Post by humanrebar »

chrischen wrote: post #17
DataWorker wrote: post #2

This is very similar the stories one hears regarding NIMBYism in the Silicon Valley. Hard working, successful immigrants seem to subscribe the just world hypothesis, exactly as one might predict. Their tolerance for those who aren’t able to do the same is pretty low from what I’ve seen. If they can come here poor and in a generation become millionaires and buy a home in California of all places, then why can’t everyo…

You can’t expect them to have the solutions for a societal problem. The fact that there isn’t affordable housing and job opportunities for these homeless is a failing of the US government, not Irving’s government, and definitely not of that local community. However if all the homeless congregate in that area, it’s an unfair burden to that community from a problem caused by a failing of the government. They have the r…

> ...not Irving’s government...

Surely city governments are responsible for acute mental health issues. Not all homeless have need for serious mental health care, but the number is high and those needs should be taken care of before (or at the latest, while) talking about jobs.

EDIT: At least, local governments should be educating the public about how much help they need from state and national government.

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