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Re: YouTube Kids Is Going to Release a Whitelisted, Non-Algorithmic Version of App

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Post by mayniac »

borne0 wrote: post #8

Hmm, my nephew already saw pepa pig having her teeth extracted on YouTube kids so I'm gonna say this is too little too late.

/r/ElsaGate monitors this quite actively.

The current prevailing non-tin-foil-hat theory is that some animators realised that they could game YouTube's suggestion algorithm, and that kids videos are an easy target. Kids also are very inquisitive when it comes to subjects you tell them are inappropriate. Over time the videos with darker themes got more clicks and it has spiralled out of control since. Throw in some bots to increase views and comment rapidly once videos are released to increase rankings and you've got a perfect ad-revenue scheme.

Of course there's nutjobs who think it's a pedophile ring normalising sexual violence to kids, but there's an equal likelihood of pizzagate being real.

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Post by Pulcinella »

dkoubsky wrote: post #10
borne0 wrote: post #8

Hmm, my nephew already saw pepa pig having her teeth extracted on YouTube kids so I'm gonna say this is too little too late.

I've heard Joe Rogan talk about this on his podcast. It sounds like there is an epidemic of cartoon styled videos with dark endings that wind up autoplaying after kids' videos.

See the previous discussion on HN and it’s link: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15637504

It’s very disturbing, especially once you have kids of your own and it hits home.

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Post by taeric »

nostalgeek wrote: post #20
taeric wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be surprised if AI doesn't assist in the near future. Now, even.

"assist" is the key here. Often big companies such as Google believe than AI can "replace", because any process involving human interaction "doesn't scale".

Agreed. Apologies for keeping my first post too brief.

I think, quite firmly, that what we call ai we'll be used to augment many techniques without replacing them. I share the scepticism that it will replace them.

Though, I think it is prudent to acknowledge the progress that has been made. My self twenty years ago would be impressed with what we have. I suspect the same will be true in another twenty.

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Post by Pulcinella »

Nition wrote: post #17

Whitelisted by YouTube. Still no app to let the user whitelist channels or videos themselves. Only blacklist, which is useless with the amount of channels on YouTube.

Education google apps users can whitelist videos for student google accounts on their domain, but I don’t think it actually works because I’ve approved videos and my students still can’t access them.

Also google doesn’t officially consider youtube to be part of google apps for education even though it has the approval system for YouTube videos.

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Post by borne0 »

mayniac wrote: post #21
borne0 wrote: post #8

Hmm, my nephew already saw pepa pig having her teeth extracted on YouTube kids so I'm gonna say this is too little too late.

/r/ElsaGate monitors this quite actively. The current prevailing non-tin-foil-hat theory is that some animators realised that they could game YouTube's suggestion algorithm, and that kids videos are an easy target. Kids also are very inquisitive when it comes to subjects you tell them are inappropriate. Over time the videos with darker themes got more clicks and it has spiralled out of control since. Throw in some bo…

I think that's over thinking it a bit, youtube algos are easy to manipulate and a single thread on 4chan can create a fair bit of weird media, for the explicit intent of creating weird media.

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Post by romuloab42 »

nightcracker wrote: post #12

Wow, a whitelisted, non-algorithmic feed of videos! Oh wait, do you mean... a playlist?

If we could restrict the app to just play videos of a single playlist, life would be great. But today it is very easy for kids to exit playlist mode, thus defeating the purpose of curating a playlist.

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Post by sintaxi »

mayniac wrote: post #21
borne0 wrote: post #8

Hmm, my nephew already saw pepa pig having her teeth extracted on YouTube kids so I'm gonna say this is too little too late.

/r/ElsaGate monitors this quite actively. The current prevailing non-tin-foil-hat theory is that some animators realised that they could game YouTube's suggestion algorithm, and that kids videos are an easy target. Kids also are very inquisitive when it comes to subjects you tell them are inappropriate. Over time the videos with darker themes got more clicks and it has spiralled out of control since. Throw in some bo…

That seems like a reasonable non-tinfoil-hat explanation. So why does the elsagate videos follow MKUltra patterns? Is is purely found to be more effective for monetization purposes?

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Post by romuloab42 »

tomstockmail wrote: post #15
spraak wrote: post #11

Are there any apps that just let you select specific videos or playlists? That is, I'd like something even more customizable.

I don't know of any apps that do this exactly, so maybe if you want to stay within YouTube you could try restricting to a playlist. But that still has the possibility of random videos playing at some point. I've also been looking for something that allows me to loop videos, although that's more for creating a TV-channel like loop for my grandparents. To be safe in this situation I'd just use something like youtube-dl…

That was my conclusion as well. I didn't get fancy about setting cronjobs. I just run a script every now and then, and it is enough for my case.

I'm still looking for a good player that would behave somewhat like Youtube Kids (auto play, fullscreen, no volume/brightness controls). All players I've tried have controls that kids don't understand and, accidentally or intentionally, end up ruining everything.

Re: YouTube Kids Is Going to Release a Whitelisted, Non-Algorithmic Version of App

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Post by aspaceman »

taeric wrote: post #4
mozumder wrote: post #3

Earlier I suggested YouTube start to use actual editors: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16758397 I guess this is their response. AI will never replace humans in judgement. Sorry Silicon Valley. It's not going to happen. Stop trying to make it happen.

I would be surprised if AI doesn't assist in the near future. Now, even.

AI should definitely assist! I think that folks just don't want AI to be the final say in anything since it seems to be just as biased as its human counterparts.

The issue with AI is it's a lot harder to question the black box than it is to question a human operator. Accountability will be especially important as AIs come into contact with more and more of our lives.

Google et al. appear to have systems in place where AI makes the final say on your behavior, but then you can find a human reviewer if you really beg / you're important enough. I don't think that's sustainable from a social perspective

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