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Post by JeremyBanks »

taeric wrote: post #4
mozumder wrote: post #3

Earlier I suggested YouTube start to use actual editors: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16758397 I guess this is their response. AI will never replace humans in judgement. Sorry Silicon Valley. It's not going to happen. Stop trying to make it happen.

I would be surprised if AI doesn't assist in the near future. Now, even.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/30/16222850/youtube-google-b...

Re: YouTube Kids Is Going to Release a Whitelisted, Non-Algorithmic Version of App

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dbasedweeb wrote: post #7
Overtonwindow wrote: post #5

This sounds good but I see another side: Targeted advertising to kids.

Of course, most programming for kids has been just that for decades, with a few notable exceptions (Sesame Street, Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood, others probably). The programs themselves when I was a kid typically took the form of a 22 minute toy advertisement, interspersed with more advertising. Of course, they didn’t have data on my particular viewing habits and a psych profile, but honestly it still worked pretty well…

> they didn’t have data on my particular viewing habits and a psych profile

I'd bet that 8-year olds (as a population), with their under-cooked brains and extremely limited autonomy have MUCH more predictable psych profiles and viewing habits than adults as a population.

Anecdote for illustration: I, and everybody I went to school with, watched the same show when we got home from school. How much more predictable a viewing pattern can you get? Plus, you can bet that I wanted whatever toy they were advertising, and bugged my parents about it as soon as I could.

Thinking about it, I'll never see data to confirm this but I'll bet childrens' TV advertisers have better conversion rates than Facebook, with all of its carefully mined and organized profiling data.

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Post by tomstockmail »

spraak wrote: post #11

Are there any apps that just let you select specific videos or playlists? That is, I'd like something even more customizable.

I don't know of any apps that do this exactly, so maybe if you want to stay within YouTube you could try restricting to a playlist. But that still has the possibility of random videos playing at some point. I've also been looking for something that allows me to loop videos, although that's more for creating a TV-channel like loop for my grandparents.

To be safe in this situation I'd just use something like youtube-dl [1] and save filtered videos locally. Kids tend to watch the same videos over and over, so why not save bandwidth/battery life and store it locally when it's so cheap to do so. And since it's likely cartoons, the compression is better saving even more space. Tip: You can download playlists, so if you set a cronjob task to download a playlist you can add videos to it from anywhere you have access to YouTube.

[1] https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/

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Post by Larrikin »

InitialLastName wrote: post #14
dbasedweeb wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course, most programming for kids has been just that for decades, with a few notable exceptions (Sesame Street, Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood, others probably). The programs themselves when I was a kid typically took the form of a 22 minute toy advertisement, interspersed with more advertising. Of course, they didn’t have data on my particular viewing habits and a psych profile, but honestly it still worked pretty well…

> they didn’t have data on my particular viewing habits and a psych profile I'd bet that 8-year olds (as a population), with their under-cooked brains and extremely limited autonomy have MUCH more predictable psych profiles and viewing habits than adults as a population. Anecdote for illustration: I, and everybody I went to school with, watched the same show when we got home from school. How much more predictable a v…

I have a friend at Bandai that says the US market actually has laws that prevent the situation that occurs in Japan.

Shows like Power Rangers basically have their entire commercial blocks bought out by the toy company that manufactures the Power Rangers toys. This creates a very interesting relationship where the show runners and toy creators work together when creating the next season, where the two companies have veto power over ideas from the other. The toy companies come up with special guns or powers unique from the previous toy line, but the show producer can argue that it wouldn't translate well on screen or that there aren't enough good story lines and vice versa.

In America atleast the toy tie ins are limited in the amount of advertising they can show. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the limitations on online advertising are far weaker than their television equivalents. This tracks with my own viewings as a child from what I can remember. I remember being bombarded with toy ads when I was young, but I also remember being excited about toy tie ins I didn't know existed when I got my parents to rent Power Rangers on VHS and having the first and last 5 minutes of the video tape consist of toy advertisements.

Re: YouTube Kids Is Going to Release a Whitelisted, Non-Algorithmic Version of App

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Post by nostalgeek »

taeric wrote: post #4
mozumder wrote: post #3

Earlier I suggested YouTube start to use actual editors: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16758397 I guess this is their response. AI will never replace humans in judgement. Sorry Silicon Valley. It's not going to happen. Stop trying to make it happen.

I would be surprised if AI doesn't assist in the near future. Now, even.

"assist" is the key here. Often big companies such as Google believe than AI can "replace", because any process involving human interaction "doesn't scale".
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