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Many People Taking Antidepressants Discover They Cannot Quit

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Re: Many People Taking Antidepressants Discover They Cannot Quit

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Exercise is harder than taking a pill - remember these are antidepressants. Also, when you're depressed anything that gives you hope is likely to actually help and that means placebos too. Having said that, I would hope actual drugs work better than a placebo.

This is a dangerous opinion and can inspire guilt in folks struggling with mental disorders. Not cool.

>> This is a dangerous opinion and can inspire guilt...

Wait what? Which part? My first sentence? There are a few opinions in what I wrote. What specifically might inspire guilt? Honest question, I try to be sensitive to such things.

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Anti depressants along with support from my family and therapist saved my life. Prior to taking anti depressants I would get into moods so depressed that I would have significant chest pain and headaches. The headaches were so severe that without any consideration I almost jumped from the roof of one my school buildings.

Within the first week of taking anti depressants (wellbutrin, I later switched to prozac) I would at random moments of the day begin to remember funny memories. I would be walking to my dorm from class and remember a funny gag from the simpsons and break into a stupid grin.

After two years on anti depressants I was able to stop taking them. I was able to do this by accepting and understanding that while I may have real reasons to be sad, the underlying reason that I was dwelling on these negative thoughts was my brain chemistry. Once I accepted this I was able to justify cheaper less harmful ways of medicating my depression. Whenever I began to feel depressed I would simply go to my tv and start watching episodes of `It's always sunny in philadelphia` or whatever comedy made me happy

I think the worst mistake people with depression make is reinforcing their sadness by listening to sad music, watching sad movies or reading sad books when in fact they should be doing the opposite. They also allow their depression to become part of their identity.

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What's worse is that the longer you take certain psychiatric drugs, the greater the long-term damage it can possibly cause to almost disability. It's being between a rock and a hard place. I've taken Abilify, Wellbutrin, Seroquel, and a number of other drugs. The biggest problem when you enter the psychiatric system is you go through pill roulette. You take a drug, try it, see what works, and keep trying till you fin…

Seroquel is part of a family of drugs (antipsychotics) which have some of the worst long term adverse effects of all psychiatric drugs. Everything from tardive dyskenisia to enlargement of the ventricles of the brain are routinely observed over decades of use, and that’s not even mentioning adverse effects which appear almost immediately. In general though, these drugs have little or nothing to do with antidepressant…

"Seroquel is only approved for schizophrenia, mania and bipolar disorders. ... Yet the ISMP found that 47 percent of all adverse events linked to Seroquel since 2004 occurred when the drug was being used for unapproved or "off-label" purposes, such as depression." May 27, 2011

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-seroquel-a-risky-antipsycho...

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It varies wildly by person, even moreso possibly than antidepressant efficacy. I've been...fortunate, if you can call it that, that while I've taken a great many antidepressants and other psychiatric medications, the worst side effects I've ever faced from stopping have been screwed up sleep/wake cycles, irritability, and a few days of headache. I've had friends and family members who have had much worse, and I've ha…

> the worst side effects I've ever faced from stopping have been screwed up sleep/wake cycles, irritability, and a few days of headache I wonder if that's worse than a newborn.

Much worse, something that can't be compared. Anyone would prefer a newborn which is an external person that you provide care and watch grow. Sure it will keep you up but it also provides emotions to help fuel you past those weak moments. When you are internally off where you can't sleep the affect is different.

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It's the other heroin. People can't get off the stuff, and it's everywhere. In about 2012 I visited Copenhagen, capital of Denmark, which was until recently allegedly the self-reported "happiest nation on earth". I found it extremely weird that everyone was perfectly dressed and all the interiors were spotless, but nobody was smiling. It was like I had walked on to the set of some kind of dystopian movie. Mentioning…

I'm not a huge fan of anti-depressants, but this is just silly. Smiling lots is mostly a cultural difference and Americans seem to be the odd ones out there, not the other way around.

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>The drugs have helped millions of people ease depression and anxiety, and are widely regarded as milestones in psychiatric treatment.

History is littered with harmful, poorly-thought out "psychiatric treatments" that were widely regarded as milestones. Even if there are a tiny minority of people who's mental condition is so bad that scrambling their brain with drugs will lead to an "improvement", the widespread reliance on these drugs to treat the every-growing number of depressed and anxious people is not a good thing for individuals, or for society. This is especially true when it comes to young children, whose brains are being warped during the critical stages of development. Over a million children under 5 years old are being dosed with these mind-altering chemicals based on ridiculous ADHD or "defiance" disorders. Over ten million children under 17. Its very telling that the intelligentsia at the apex of society think that the answer to fixing our broken children is to drug them rather than to fix the broken society that they perpetuate.

https://www.cchrint.org/psychiatric-drugs/children-on-psychi...

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They are trying to cure symptoms of underlying diseases, and even that, only in ways that will require lifetime intake of drugs and followup tests.

That's just human nature. We can say the same about programmers. They just want to fix the apparent problems, not write a better program. Yes, if you read Hacker News you probably object. Not everyone does that. But making the problem just go away is the prevailing, widely spread, most commonly used mode of working.

Most developers want to rewrite every app they meet. What they write as usually sales driven features. The system is the problem not human nature.

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While your differentiation between addiction and dependency is certainly correct as the medical profession defines these thing, simple dependency would sound like addiction to a lot of average people. Further, it should be obvious that dependency is a problem. If the medical profession thinks it's solved that problem by redefining words, I'd say state regulation is pretty appropriate step.

Have you kicked your oxygen dependence yet?

I'm getting there one day at a time :)

Re: Many People Taking Antidepressants Discover They Cannot Quit

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I was up to 10mg/daily of Lexapro for two years. When my doctor and I agreed it was time to stop taking it, his advice was to go down to 5mg for a week, then stop. When I tried stopping after the 5mg dose I had constant vertigo symptoms and incredible difficulty sleeping. What I ended up doing was cutting the pills in half for a few weeks, then quarters, then removing one day a week from the schedule until I was down…

Same experience for me, and in fact I had the brain-zapping withdrawal symptoms while I was taking a steady dosage. The zapping happened with both Zoloft and Lexapro. It happened regularly many times per hour.

When asked to describe it, I tell people the zapping feels like my mind is lost for a fraction of a second. For that tiny moment I really think I'm completely non-functional, and the thought of this condition lasting for a non-trivial amount of time is frightening, although I've never heard of that happening.

Zoloft was beneficial for me, but not enough to outweigh the discomfort of the brain zapping.

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Yep, though its the most common reason, SSRIs are not only prescribed for depression be it mild or severe. Anxiety is another rather common reason SSRIs get prescribed, and in my case Fluoxetine for ASD. Its anecdotal but I know that in my specific case it helps .. a lot! I can focus better, I am less anxious, I'm happier (though that is not my main complaint at all), and most of all I get less agitated. That doesn't…

> don't have friends Hey, you can work on that! Especially now that you have medication that seems to catch on.

Oh, hmm thats kind of you. I understand that reaction. That probably sounded rather sad, so I reflected whilst writing this response.

First and foremost I have one very good friend (my partner!), and a rather good relation with my mother (my father passed away, alas). I consider my mother like a friend, who given her age needs me more and more and this will increase. Same with my mother-in-law. That's both OK, but also a burden of stress.

It appears difficult to become friends as you grow older compared to being young. I burned ships with my old friends because the relations were no longer mutual; no longer developmental ("stuck" or "grown different paths") or downright parasitic. Ironically, my last major friendship was my best friend wanting to use mushrooms with me at my place while I was no longer interested in recreational drugs. I was an avid gamer, but no longer have time to play games so all friends who I had who were into gaming I no longer have that in common with. That's a big blow in my social network and friendship list.

The gist is, I find individuals inherently boring and basically I don't want [new] friends; they're a hassle and nuisance. Friends are a distraction, just like this very forum. At best, they're interesting, like this forum. At worst, its annoying to waste a Sunday on a birthday (with mindless chit-chat, annoying opinionated people, eating crap I could better buy/cook myself, and travel time/cost), just like you can waste an Sunday on this forum. Heck, like Facebook, rather. OTOH, you reap what you sow. I still got like 100 movies to watch if not more, 20 books to read, etc.

My family and partner's friends and our newborn is more than enough. I need to focus on improving those connections first and foremost since my autism does put those relations under pressure both generally as well as incidentally more so. That plus integrating my autism diagnosis with my career which isn't easy in mid 30s. You could argue I'm not ready for it yet but I didn't start taking SSRIs to become more social. I do want to meet more people with autism, but that's out of self-interest, and a long-term project since right now I still feel overburdened due to the above (mostly our newborn).

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