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Re: Facebook retracted Zuckerberg’s messages from recipients’ inboxes

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How recently?

Around 20:00 (PDT) on Wednesday, April 04 2018.

Then it looks like it was a mistake in the name registration process, because @Mat is listed in Google's cache going back to mid last year. You shouldn't have been able to register that name.

Re: Facebook retracted Zuckerberg’s messages from recipients’ inboxes

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If that was the case, he'd find a replacement CEO, sell his shares and be done with it. He's already rich enough to be have to lift another finger in the next 10 lifetimes.

I made it from few thousands per month of salary to my first sell for $1MM in 2004. I thought I was rich. Then I start meeting people much richer. My last exit was with $17MM check. Guess what - I still feel I'm poor. The point being, rich people don't look down - they look higher at people who are richER or wealthy (few people in America are such as Buffet, Gates, etc). I assure you Zuck doesn't sell his stock to be…

Not everyone that has money thinks this way. It's a special kind of freedom to be content with more than you need and not have wants.

Re: Facebook retracted Zuckerberg’s messages from recipients’ inboxes

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On the contrary, everyone's willingness to accept this kind of behavior as normal indicates how far the Overton window has moved when it comes to the trustworthiness of our digital services. We need a collective effort to shift things back where they belong.

I disagree, privacy-conscious people have been warning that Facebook has been doing these things since forever, so people (especially here on HN) can't claim that they didn't know these things were going on. This is just the same old story: people being upset about the consequences of what they were warned about many many times.

Either Overton window does not mean what I think it means, or you misunderstood me. Sure, privacy-conscious people have been warning others about a whole bunch of things, but the general discourse has shifted, so those people were frequently treated almost like conspiracy theorists.

Besides, I'm not only talking about privacy, I'm talking about general loss of trustworthiness that comes from moving away from the "confederate Internet" towards the "feudal Internet". Back in the POP3 days, if the message got delivered to your mail client, the only way it got deleted would be because of something that you did (even if it's "fail to have backups when your machine caught fire"). Nowadays you have people acting like Facebook deleting a message from your "inbox" (not an e-mail inbox, but same terminology is being used) is not a big deal.

The rationale is: "Well of course they can do that, it's their server and their service." And that's precisely my point.

Re: Facebook retracted Zuckerberg’s messages from recipients’ inboxes

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If that was the case, he'd find a replacement CEO, sell his shares and be done with it. He's already rich enough to be have to lift another finger in the next 10 lifetimes.

I made it from few thousands per month of salary to my first sell for $1MM in 2004. I thought I was rich. Then I start meeting people much richer. My last exit was with $17MM check. Guess what - I still feel I'm poor. The point being, rich people don't look down - they look higher at people who are richER or wealthy (few people in America are such as Buffet, Gates, etc). I assure you Zuck doesn't sell his stock to be…

> Bezos is not looking up at anyone but keeps growing like crazy NOT TO lose his position

And what are the consequences if he does lose his position? He still has a literally incredible amount of power. Is the drive to be at the top of the heap a necessary trait of amassing wealth?

The way you write about competition amongst the rich makes it look like a pissing contest in a community pool.

Re: Facebook retracted Zuckerberg’s messages from recipients’ inboxes

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Hey, I'm a tech reporter and I'm interested in looking into this further. Can you email me, or perhaps provide contact info? My email is smann@inc.com

I've sent you an email, could go to spam, not sure.

Thanks, I'll check!

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I made it from few thousands per month of salary to my first sell for $1MM in 2004. I thought I was rich. Then I start meeting people much richer. My last exit was with $17MM check. Guess what - I still feel I'm poor. The point being, rich people don't look down - they look higher at people who are richER or wealthy (few people in America are such as Buffet, Gates, etc). I assure you Zuck doesn't sell his stock to be…

> Bezos is not looking up at anyone but keeps growing like crazy NOT TO lose his position And what are the consequences if he does lose his position? He still has a literally incredible amount of power. Is the drive to be at the top of the heap a necessary trait of amassing wealth? The way you write about competition amongst the rich makes it look like a pissing contest in a community pool.

I don't understand your question. What are consequences of losing a game of chess? Or anything in that matter...

> The way you write about competition amongst the rich makes it look like a pissing contest in a community pool.

Bingo! IT really is, and one day when you have a chance spending some time with wealthy individuals, maybe at the party when they drink and open up, you will see for yourself how shallow and simple the game really is.

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>Your screenshots show no evidence of "facebook staff" doing anything. Are you suggesting that Mat Henley from Uber hacked me (or hired someone to hack me?), or that I myself gave up the name and am telling lies now? I think both of those sound tremendously unlikely. I am 100% sure that neither of these accounts were compromised. >but you should have done as it said and changed your password after clicking "revert th…

I'm not suggesting anything. All I'm going off is the screenshots you provided which you described as "Screenshots of Facebook staff forcefully resetting the account names". I don't know what you're suggesting either... that Henley picked up phone to Instagram and said "I want @Mat, give it to me"?? Maybe ask Henley directly, send him a message and ask for your name back. If I were you I'd be pissed off and wouldn't…

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Re: Facebook retracted Zuckerberg’s messages from recipients’ inboxes

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>Your screenshots show no evidence of "facebook staff" doing anything. Are you suggesting that Mat Henley from Uber hacked me (or hired someone to hack me?), or that I myself gave up the name and am telling lies now? I think both of those sound tremendously unlikely. I am 100% sure that neither of these accounts were compromised. >but you should have done as it said and changed your password after clicking "revert th…

I'm not suggesting anything. All I'm going off is the screenshots you provided which you described as "Screenshots of Facebook staff forcefully resetting the account names". I don't know what you're suggesting either... that Henley picked up phone to Instagram and said "I want @Mat, give it to me"?? Maybe ask Henley directly, send him a message and ask for your name back. If I were you I'd be pissed off and wouldn't…

I got Mat Henleys cell number from a friend and contacted him via Signal very shortly after this happened. A day later I got a reply from him: “knock it off, Adrian”

I don’t know any Adrians, he didn’t reply after that.

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1) Users are explicitly not allowed to do this. You can delete things in your inbox, you can’t delete things in other people’s inboxes. 2) It convienely starts happenening right when FB finds themselves in a shitshow, and with a CEO that famously said, “They trust me — dumb fucks”. There is no evidence that this is anything except something very very new. 3) Document retention policies only work for your company. Not…

Those are not bad points, but is there any evidence that this happened recently? I didn’t find that part in the article.

I certainly took the article to be implying that this was new behavior, but now seems to have been something they secretly started back in 2014 or so.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/6/17203114/facebook-mark-zuc...

Re: Facebook retracted Zuckerberg’s messages from recipients’ inboxes

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I believe that’s only text. Try sending someone a video. Takes a while. Try forwarding that video to someone else moments later. Happens pretty quickly. Same applies with photos in my experience. I’d assume voice notes,location pins, etc are also subject to this as well.

WhatsApp reduces the quality of your media and saves it in a second folder of your gallery. If you forward already converted media it will be taken from the gallery in it's compressed, substantially smaller version.

On iPhones it has a splash screen for compression and then a separate spinner in the chat for the upload progress for videos. That second upload spinner doesn’t occur for immediately forwarded videos.
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