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Facebook will add “unsend” feature after secretly deleting Zuckerberg’s messages

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Re: Facebook will add “unsend” feature after secretly deleting Zuckerberg’s messages

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This is awesome! 17 year old me shit talking with friends shouldn't be used against me if I were to obtain a position of power and be blackmailed by that. Also, any message without context could be construed as sexist, racist, privalidged, ablist or whatever. Really positive development from this entire mess of a scandal.

/me starts taking screenshots of conversations with others.. ;)

Re: Facebook will add “unsend” feature after secretly deleting Zuckerberg’s messages

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Yeah so would I. Actually, I've often thought there should not be a restriction on the window during which you're allowed to delete a post on this site. I understand that there are reasons they might not want that such as to encourage civil interactions and so forth. But I still think there should be no restriction on it. There are things I've said in discussions I've had here that were not always well informed or mo…

I usually make throwaways for the same reason. I think there is some merit to the idea of Right to be Forgotten[1] but at the same time, I feel like that would just help evil people hide their true nature. The other half of me wants to just have the NSA dump everything one day and let everyone know what everyone else has really been saying for the last 15 years. The first couple days would be tough for everyone to ac…

The NSA idea was a major subplot of Southpark season 20. You could google ‘Troll Trace’ to get the gist of it.

Re: Facebook will add “unsend” feature after secretly deleting Zuckerberg’s messages

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Seeing as how people already record sketchy conversations by screenshotting them this will only impress the naive. Screenshots aren't absolutely perfect as evidence, but since error level analysis can show up many kinds of graphic manipulation, they're pretty good on a practical level.

What’s naive is to even believe a screenshot. They can easily be faked. In fact I think there’s entire apps just for this purpose. You would never know the difference. You can also just straight up edit HTML and screenshot that. Screenshots as evidence, how laughable.

You completely missed the entire second half of the last sentence, which refutes your point.

Re: Facebook will add “unsend” feature after secretly deleting Zuckerberg’s messages

#84
post #76

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It raises the question...what other liberties did Zuckerberg take on facebook? The reddit thing was petty, but didn't really do any material damage. Uber's God View was more troubling...showing how you could track politicians/celebs usage of the platform. But facebook...this admission opens the door to speculation that Zuckerberg could have theoretically taken ad hoc 'God Mode' actions against users of his personal i…

Why wouldn't you trust him?

Exactly. Also, they're a private company. They can do whatever they like with their data per the ToS. Why is this even a concern?

Re: Facebook will add “unsend” feature after secretly deleting Zuckerberg’s messages

#85
post #45

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Wow thanks for clarifying. That is absolutely deceptive. The UI never mentions that, but I found some support docs that do. I imagine the majority of people deleting messages aren't aware of this...

I think it's a little funny but I wouldn't call it deceptive. If you delete your local copy of a text message, that doesn't remove it from the other person's phone. Same thing with messages on AIM and IRC. So un-sending seems to be the far less obvious feature.

I'm not aware of a messaging service that lets you delete the recipients copy of a message, so I'm fairly surprised about people's reaction to your comments. Am I just not aware?

Re: Facebook will add “unsend” feature after secretly deleting Zuckerberg’s messages

#86
post #45
post #15

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If you delete those then the recipient can still see them (it just deletes them for you). Zuckerberg's messages (and the new "unsend" feature) delete the messages for everyone, which is different.

Wow thanks for clarifying. That is absolutely deceptive. The UI never mentions that, but I found some support docs that do. I imagine the majority of people deleting messages aren't aware of this...

In what way is this deceptive? When you delete emails do you expect it to disappear from the other person's inbox as well?

Re: Facebook will add “unsend” feature after secretly deleting Zuckerberg’s messages

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Yeah so would I. Actually, I've often thought there should not be a restriction on the window during which you're allowed to delete a post on this site. I understand that there are reasons they might not want that such as to encourage civil interactions and so forth. But I still think there should be no restriction on it. There are things I've said in discussions I've had here that were not always well informed or mo…

I usually make throwaways for the same reason. I think there is some merit to the idea of Right to be Forgotten[1] but at the same time, I feel like that would just help evil people hide their true nature. The other half of me wants to just have the NSA dump everything one day and let everyone know what everyone else has really been saying for the last 15 years. The first couple days would be tough for everyone to ac…

Isn't that the entire point of the Right to be Forgotten? To say that there is such a right is to say that it's incorrect to expect that you could know a person's "true nature" just by seeing what they happened to think at any given time in their lives.

Re: Facebook will add “unsend” feature after secretly deleting Zuckerberg’s messages

#88
post #24

This is awesome! 17 year old me shit talking with friends shouldn't be used against me if I were to obtain a position of power and be blackmailed by that. Also, any message without context could be construed as sexist, racist, privalidged, ablist or whatever. Really positive development from this entire mess of a scandal.

Also means people can be harassed and the offender can delete the message after they know the person has seen the message (via the read receipt).

Re: Facebook will add “unsend” feature after secretly deleting Zuckerberg’s messages

#89
post #64

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A good middle ground would be that account deletion changes the user's historical post attributions to Anonymous .

If you still allow single post deletion, that leads to scripting where people delete each post, one by one.

Sure, I was thinking with time limits on delete (presumably desirable if you're trying to avoid incoherent threads). It could also lead to accounts that post once and get deleted if you don't otherwise allow anonymous comments.

Re: Facebook will add “unsend” feature after secretly deleting Zuckerberg’s messages

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I think it's a little funny but I wouldn't call it deceptive. If you delete your local copy of a text message, that doesn't remove it from the other person's phone. Same thing with messages on AIM and IRC. So un-sending seems to be the far less obvious feature.

I'm not aware of a messaging service that lets you delete the recipients copy of a message, so I'm fairly surprised about people's reaction to your comments. Am I just not aware?

Slack/Facebook comments/posts are all things I use that let me delete previously sent messages. This is possible because they control it all. (Of course, I'm relying on the other users' clients coming online and respecting the delete instructions)

and fair points about email... I had assumed this worked like other parts of Facebook, which doesn't seem unreasonable given they control the whole stack. (and they did shut down their old XMPP gateway awhile back)

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