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A dozen black holes may lie at the centre of our galaxy

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Re: A dozen black holes may lie at the centre of our galaxy

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From the article: "A search for the X-ray signatures of low-mass black hole binaries in the Chandra data turned up 12 within three light-years of Sgr A*." Three light years is not that big of a distance in the grand scheme of things. For reference, the nearest star to Earth is Proxima Centauri, which is 4.2 light years away. Having 12 binaries within 3 ly sounds really dense. Having several hundred sounds crazy.

The night sky at the galactic Centre is white

Re: A dozen black holes may lie at the centre of our galaxy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One way to dispel the idea that everything has been invented is to imagine something small and mundane – but 100 years in the future. It seems unlikely that people will be writing code or picking out groceries the same way they do today, for example. Some aspects will be the same. But are you sure we won’t be picking out groceries in VR? Another thing that helps: technological progress seemed exponential over the las…

> One way to dispel the idea that everything has been invented is to imagine something small and mundane – but 100 years in the future... Hasn't people always thought there were living in the pinnacle of technology era? I mean, if you look at texts that are 50 or 100 years old, you can see people chest thumping about how they are in the modern world. Aren't we doing the same now?

If anything the chest thumping of people 50 - 100 years ago was more warranted than anything similar today imo

Re: A dozen black holes may lie at the centre of our galaxy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have been saying "we might have invented everything" for hundreds of years. I like the "invention wavefront" analogy, but I unfortunately can't remember where I learnt it. Imagine the high-dimensional space of all possible things that can be invented. In the "centre" of the space is a hypersphere containing everything that has been invented to date. Every new invention is invented by "poking outwards" in one s…

> People have been saying "we might have invented everything" for hundreds of years. No, they really haven't. In fact for a good chunk of centuries (from 16th century onwards), the optimism for the eventual future developments was endless. At some point there was a few scholars saying that during the end of 19th century, but still not some widespread belief. That said, discovery probably also follows an 80/20 rule, a…

As a general point , we have to assume that the configurations of matter is limited by some function of mass and available space. For any given space and matter, that matter can only be configured in some finite set of ways.

In that regard, the number of inventions (as subset of all sets of configured matter)- is similarly bound. We might argue that such a bounding is infinitely expanding along with the universe, as space is a important variable in the equation. Even so, my assumption is that space becomes irrelevant after a certain point of expansions. (If I have 2 atoms in a field of a billion of square miles, the number of configurations is only trivially changed by adding a few more square miles.

Once more, even if an infinitely expanding universe equates to an infinitely expanding art of inventions (configurations) - the fact remains that the set is fixed for any given time point.

Re: A dozen black holes may lie at the centre of our galaxy

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post #61

From the article: "A search for the X-ray signatures of low-mass black hole binaries in the Chandra data turned up 12 within three light-years of Sgr A*." Three light years is not that big of a distance in the grand scheme of things. For reference, the nearest star to Earth is Proxima Centauri, which is 4.2 light years away. Having 12 binaries within 3 ly sounds really dense. Having several hundred sounds crazy.

The night sky at the galactic Centre is white

I am sure the region is stunningly starlit, but if it were Olber's-paradox- bright, would not the dust in the region also be glowing white-hot?

Re: A dozen black holes may lie at the centre of our galaxy

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Is it possible that black holes could account for a good portion of "dark matter"? They literally fit the term.

There’s a theory which accounts for that called MACHO, for MAssive Compact Halo Object. While it’s possible, over many years of observation it’s very unlikely. You can’t see a black hole directly, unless it’s “eating” of course, but you can see gravitational effects like lensing. If black holes and neutron stars made up most dark matter, we’d expect to see evidence of it, and we don’t. It is still possible, although…

My heretical theory of dark matter is that is just a byproduct of black holes gravitational effects. Probably something about so much mass punching such a deep curve in spacetime creates a widespread effect. Of course this is just a baseless theory, but it seems more reasonable to consider the possibilities of a realm which we know that we know almost nothing about, than inventing new particles or physics to fit the data. Again, not an educated theory.

Re: A dozen black holes may lie at the centre of our galaxy

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post #48

Is it possible that black holes could account for a good portion of "dark matter"? They literally fit the term.

the "missing matter" is not just at the galactic core but assumed distributed more thorough the galaxy. if it just were at the center, star rotational speed would follow keplerian predictions, instead they observed the same rotational speed across whole galaxy disks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_rotation_curve

Re: A dozen black holes may lie at the centre of our galaxy

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post #61

From the article: "A search for the X-ray signatures of low-mass black hole binaries in the Chandra data turned up 12 within three light-years of Sgr A*." Three light years is not that big of a distance in the grand scheme of things. For reference, the nearest star to Earth is Proxima Centauri, which is 4.2 light years away. Having 12 binaries within 3 ly sounds really dense. Having several hundred sounds crazy.

The night sky at the galactic Centre is white

AFAIK, we are unable to see the center of the galaxy with visible-spectrum sensors due to the immense amount of dust and gas. We can see the center with IR sensors, however.

Re: A dozen black holes may lie at the centre of our galaxy

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post #48

Is it possible that black holes could account for a good portion of "dark matter"? They literally fit the term.

the "missing matter" is not just at the galactic core but assumed distributed more thorough the galaxy. if it just were at the center, star rotational speed would follow keplerian predictions, instead they observed the same rotational speed across whole galaxy disks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_rotation_curve

Dark matter is also believed to be what holds galaxies (and galactic clusters) together by enveloping them in what are called dark matter halos.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter_halo

Re: A dozen black holes may lie at the centre of our galaxy

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I'm sure this is an oversimplified view, but doesn't it seem like, because black holes are more dense, they'd naturally tend to fall toward and gather around the center of the galaxy? Sort of like how more dense objects tend to be found at the bottom of a pond? So then perhaps it makes a lot of sense that the galactic center would contain a lot of black holes.

Re: A dozen black holes may lie at the centre of our galaxy

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I'm sure this is an oversimplified view, but doesn't it seem like, because black holes are more dense, they'd naturally tend to fall toward and gather around the center of the galaxy? Sort of like how more dense objects tend to be found at the bottom of a pond? So then perhaps it makes a lot of sense that the galactic center would contain a lot of black holes.

In a pond, you have the force of gravity (i.e., buoyant force) to do this sorting. This force doesn't exist in space, or at least not in a way that's analogous to the pond.
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