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SpaceX can't broadcast Earth images because of a murky license

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Re: SpaceX can't broadcast Earth images because of a murky license

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No, the US regulates US-based companies, just like in any other field. This includes making the ability to conduct large scale surveillance of the earth's surface subject to license.

> No, the US regulates US-based companies, just like in any other field. This includes making the ability to conduct large scale surveillance of the earth's surface subject to license. I wonder how that comports with this limitation on the U.S.: ‘Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press …’ Seems pretty cut-and-dried to me that if they launched the camera, they have a right to publ…

I don't think many people would argue collection of multispectral and radar images of the earth from space for commercial distribution was what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they talked about freedom of speech. Legal restrictions on photography, particularly commercial photography, came before satellites.

Weird how HN spends most of its time complaining about digital panopticons, CCTV etc and then is up in arms about the basic principle of regulating companies increasingly moving towards selling the ability to discreetly take images or video of any area at any time. (I can see the logic in excepting low res SpaceX launch videos from that and doubt they'd have had any problems at all if they'd applied for a license in time, but you draft regulations for the rules not the exceptions, especially when there's only a handful of companies to license)

Re: SpaceX can't broadcast Earth images because of a murky license

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post #86

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It's a farce that you need a license to take pictures at all. I'm sure Russian and Chinese satellites already take photos of the US military bases regularly.

They’re not under the jurisdiction of a US agency.

What gives that agency jurisdiction over things in orbit? This whole thing seems really strange.

Re: SpaceX can't broadcast Earth images because of a murky license

#105
Functionally, these all seem very similar:

SpaceX broadcasting from a camera attached to a Rocket

Boeing broadcasting from a camera attached to a Plane

Toyota broadcasting from a camera attached to a SUV

James Cameron broadcasting from a camera attached to a Submarine

Re: SpaceX can't broadcast Earth images because of a murky license

#106

So SpaceX either knew about the regulation and ignored it (without clarifying with the regulatory body if it applied to them), or didn't know about the regulation. I'm not sure which is worse but both are bad. I think SpaceX is doing cool, groundbreaking stuff, but they should be following the rules.

It's such a nonsense application of the rule that the people doing the regulation didn't even think about it for at least 8 years ( https://youtu.be/fshVNOJ-Wtg?t=296 ) so it's hard to fault SpaceX. It's also an extremely good bet that NOAA also recently got an application from ULA. ( https://youtu.be/FUJ9Dtyiclw?t=213 )

Unless there's a licensing process that makes the agency money or shows up in the numbers they show their bosses (like in this case), no regulatory agency in my experience is ever willing to clarify if something is legal or not. Their only response is to hire legal advice, and they'll take legal action against you if you're wrong. It's stupid that just knowing if the government will let you do something often requires paying money to a private business licensed by that same government for an educated prediction that you could very well still end up being responsible for if it's wrong.

Re: SpaceX can't broadcast Earth images because of a murky license

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The public interest would appear to outweigh the narrow rights of the licensing office here. And it's not as if we don't have hours of footage from those places at the same resolution already so whatever horse they're trying to keep in the barn has already bolted.

>And it's not as if we don't have hours of footage from those places at the same resolution already so whatever horse they're trying to keep in the barn has already bolted. That would suggest that public interest would not outweigh the rights of the licensing holders.

No, that suggests it doesn't matter at all.

Re: SpaceX can't broadcast Earth images because of a murky license

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It's a bit of a farce to classify these cameras stuck on the side of a rocket with horrible resolution and which are clearly not designed to effectively image the surface of the earth as "remote sensing systems." The definition in the law even specifically excludes "Small, hand-held cameras shall not be considered remote sensing space system," i guess so that astronauts don't have to get a license 12 months before ev…

It's a farce that you need a license to take pictures at all. I'm sure Russian and Chinese satellites already take photos of the US military bases regularly.

They better as fuck not be : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Arms_Limitation_Talk... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/START_I https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Ballistic_Missile_Treaty

Re: SpaceX can't broadcast Earth images because of a murky license

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"Extremely small office" is a typical public sector reply in the PIIGS in order to get a bribe to 'make things move faster'. Or a piece of bureacracy in order to harass anyone we want, anytime we want. Also.. an "Act" on what to do in Space? Seriously? So when that thing flies over (e.g.) Japan should it follow Japan's laws? Or we only count the base location? In which case movie it to (e.g.) Greenland and problem so…

Your narrow-minded anger is ill-informed. First, there are quite a few very obvious reasons why it's in humanity's interest to regulate space missions. You want to minimise space debris, for example, because it could result in a series of collisions making near-earth orbits a wasteland you can't cross. That's why there are rules on the size, structure, orbits, data sharing, disposal mechanisms and other features of s…

> Your narrow-minded anger is ill-informed.

Really?

Re: SpaceX can't broadcast Earth images because of a murky license

#110
post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re not under the jurisdiction of a US agency.

What gives that agency jurisdiction over things in orbit? This whole thing seems really strange.

They have jurisdiction over the SpaceX as a US company, thus the power to force them to adhere to regs
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