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A dozen black holes may lie at the centre of our galaxy

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Re: A dozen black holes may lie at the centre of our galaxy

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Let me try an optimistic thought experiment.

Roughly around the end of the Napoleonic era, call it 1815, 9/10ths of humans lives in what we would call abject poverty. today it is reversed and only 1/10th does. (This is still a travesty, but it is objectively better)

In that period we have seen incredible technological, political and economic improvements. But it's not clear if we will continue to see them "we might have invented everything" is a fairly common refrain (if not on HN!)

So can we say anything about where we are in this period of chnage - near the end? Well with no other information we can only plump for "in the middle". Which roughly speaking means we expect to see change on the scale of 19th and 20th Century well into the 2200s.

And part of my monkey brain just recoils at this ... optimism. My monkey brain does not trust the numbers.

But articles like this help me quieten my monkey. We look up into the night sky with powerful telescopes and find events millennia old, light years away and they confirm how we think galaxies are made. We look into the night sky and find Dark matter that we do not even know what it is made of - and I ask my monkey brain, at some point we did not know what was over the oceans, but we predicted new lands, we did not know what the land was made of and they were made of ores and minerals.

I am by nature a skeptical optimist, but the awesomeness of astronomy, it's generally leading place in science, still impresses me.

It looks like a good two centuries to come.

Just sayin'

Bibliography: I am probably stealing from people cleverer than i whom I cannot remember to reference or am too dumb to reference

Edit: I need to write more clearly. I am not arguing that we have invented everything, just that it can feel "where can the next thing possibly come from?". And Astronomy does things like point out "We can see 13 billion years in every direction, and most of it we don't even know what it is made of. Some of it might be useful :-)"

Re: A dozen black holes may lie at the centre of our galaxy

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Let me try an optimistic thought experiment. Roughly around the end of the Napoleonic era, call it 1815, 9/10ths of humans lives in what we would call abject poverty. today it is reversed and only 1/10th does. (This is still a travesty, but it is objectively better) In that period we have seen incredible technological, political and economic improvements. But it's not clear if we will continue to see them "we might h…

> It looks like a good two centuries to come.

... if it wasn't for

- potential ecosystem collapses due to disappearing bee (pollination), insect (food) and coral populations

- rising global instability due to climate refugees

- the upcoming end of the antibiotics era

- ...

Re: A dozen black holes may lie at the centre of our galaxy

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Let me try an optimistic thought experiment. Roughly around the end of the Napoleonic era, call it 1815, 9/10ths of humans lives in what we would call abject poverty. today it is reversed and only 1/10th does. (This is still a travesty, but it is objectively better) In that period we have seen incredible technological, political and economic improvements. But it's not clear if we will continue to see them "we might h…

first time I hear the "we might have invented everything" thing. that's an interesting contrast to what I'm used to hearing, working in AI, with people always raving about terminators coming and what not

Re: A dozen black holes may lie at the centre of our galaxy

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To be honest, in reading this and considering the vastness of space, my initial impression was "what, only twelve?!"

But it means there is probably more they can't see

>By extrapolating from the properties and distribution of these binaries, the team estimates that there may be 300-500 low-mass binaries and 10,000 isolated low-mass black holes surrounding Sgr A*.

Re: A dozen black holes may lie at the centre of our galaxy

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Let me try an optimistic thought experiment. Roughly around the end of the Napoleonic era, call it 1815, 9/10ths of humans lives in what we would call abject poverty. today it is reversed and only 1/10th does. (This is still a travesty, but it is objectively better) In that period we have seen incredible technological, political and economic improvements. But it's not clear if we will continue to see them "we might h…

One way to dispel the idea that everything has been invented is to imagine something small and mundane – but 100 years in the future.

It seems unlikely that people will be writing code or picking out groceries the same way they do today, for example. Some aspects will be the same. But are you sure we won’t be picking out groceries in VR?

Another thing that helps: technological progress seemed exponential over the last century, but in the long term it’s actually sigmoidal. Progress happens in jumps.

Re: A dozen black holes may lie at the centre of our galaxy

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Let me try an optimistic thought experiment. Roughly around the end of the Napoleonic era, call it 1815, 9/10ths of humans lives in what we would call abject poverty. today it is reversed and only 1/10th does. (This is still a travesty, but it is objectively better) In that period we have seen incredible technological, political and economic improvements. But it's not clear if we will continue to see them "we might h…

> It looks like a good two centuries to come. ... if it wasn't for - potential ecosystem collapses due to disappearing bee (pollination), insect (food) and coral populations - rising global instability due to climate refugees - the upcoming end of the antibiotics era - ...

> "Roughly around the end of the Napoleonic era, call it 1815, 9/10ths of humans lives in what we would call abject poverty. today it is reversed and only 1/10th does."

There are now 80% more people (according to these figures) who now have enough food that they can worry about bees. That's a good thing if you ask me. Now about those bees...

Re: A dozen black holes may lie at the centre of our galaxy

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Let me try an optimistic thought experiment. Roughly around the end of the Napoleonic era, call it 1815, 9/10ths of humans lives in what we would call abject poverty. today it is reversed and only 1/10th does. (This is still a travesty, but it is objectively better) In that period we have seen incredible technological, political and economic improvements. But it's not clear if we will continue to see them "we might h…

> It looks like a good two centuries to come. ... if it wasn't for - potential ecosystem collapses due to disappearing bee (pollination), insect (food) and coral populations - rising global instability due to climate refugees - the upcoming end of the antibiotics era - ...

If only we didn't waste all of the antibiotics on non-human animals. Such a bad use of brilliant biotechnology.

Re: A dozen black holes may lie at the centre of our galaxy

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Let me try an optimistic thought experiment. Roughly around the end of the Napoleonic era, call it 1815, 9/10ths of humans lives in what we would call abject poverty. today it is reversed and only 1/10th does. (This is still a travesty, but it is objectively better) In that period we have seen incredible technological, political and economic improvements. But it's not clear if we will continue to see them "we might h…

One way to dispel the idea that everything has been invented is to imagine something small and mundane – but 100 years in the future. It seems unlikely that people will be writing code or picking out groceries the same way they do today, for example. Some aspects will be the same. But are you sure we won’t be picking out groceries in VR? Another thing that helps: technological progress seemed exponential over the las…

> One way to dispel the idea that everything has been invented is to imagine something small and mundane – but 100 years in the future...

Hasn't people always thought there were living in the pinnacle of technology era? I mean, if you look at texts that are 50 or 100 years old, you can see people chest thumping about how they are in the modern world.

Aren't we doing the same now?

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