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Friendica – A Decentralized Social Network

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Re: Friendica – A Decentralized Social Network

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Let me guess, you're a PHP developer.

At least show your working on why it's bad. Currently you're coming off as someone that's heard something is bad and repeating it without verifying

I wish I'd heard the bad about PHP before I worked in it; would have saved me the first year of my life in development.

Also, most PHP developers are complete morons. And I won't apologize for generalizing.

Re: Friendica – A Decentralized Social Network

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post #65

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Emphasis should be on the requirements. What do we want the system to do? And how can we control our privacy? Let's answer these questions first.

I see no way of controlling privacy in a decentralized system. It'd be like trying to delete all the emails you've sent to other people or stop someone from forwarding an email. Once you put the data out there in a decentralized system, it's out there permanently. Centralization allows for some control.

This is a big problem I think as well. Do we really want a social network where nothing can be deleted? I have used a few and it definitely makes me think before posting.

Re: Friendica – A Decentralized Social Network

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All communities have leaders, whales, whatever you want to call them. Even Bitcoin is now controlled by a small group of mostly Chinese people. Decentralization does nothing other than put control in the hands of an unpredictable and potentially unaccountable group of people, whereas centralized systems have people you can point to and hold accountable (or so we hope). There is a reason it's never worked throughout h…

Ill be frank. I don't see the problem with bitcoin as you describe it. The reason the mining power is in China is because they produce the ASICS and they have cheap power.

Centralized systems offer this accountability in theory. But rarely does this work in practice.

Re: Friendica – A Decentralized Social Network

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Its design intended it to be used that way, but that's not how people use it. Everyone uses a centralized email provider now (Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc.), and these providers act as gatekeepers to email. If they disappear, people will find an alternative centralized messaging scheme, not start learning how to run their own mail servers...

> Everyone uses a centralized email provider now Mostly everyone, but not everyone.

I've come away from this thread wanting to set up my own server haha!

Re: Friendica – A Decentralized Social Network

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They still got all their initial scale from PHP until they were so big that it was worth writing their own PHP engine. They would have had the same problem with Python or JavaScript.

Indeed, but it's a classic example of why you shouldn't use something just because it's popular.

Very true, that is always a recipe for disaster. Especially when we have so many tools to build with.

Re: Friendica – A Decentralized Social Network

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> Tell me why I should care. I don't care if you care. That's your decision. > The same thing happens with loyalty cards at Walgreens. It's not the same thing at all. With loyalty cards I get the OPTION of being rewarded for allowing a company to track me. So I weigh getting rewarded (positive) against sharing my data (negative), and I make a decision. With Facebook there is no option, they track everyone regardless.…

Tell me why anyone should care. You have the option of using Facebook or not. If you don't have a Facebook account, they don't have your data. If you don't have a Walgreens loyalty card, they don't have your data. People are faux outraged. They're not really outraged at all. Check this comment in two months and tell me how "outraged" people are at Facebook for selling their data. It would depend on what kind of "demo…

> If you don't have a Facebook account, they don't have your data.

Wow. You're so clueless you don't even realize how clueless you are.

Re: Friendica – A Decentralized Social Network

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> Tell me why I should care. I don't care if you care. That's your decision. > The same thing happens with loyalty cards at Walgreens. It's not the same thing at all. With loyalty cards I get the OPTION of being rewarded for allowing a company to track me. So I weigh getting rewarded (positive) against sharing my data (negative), and I make a decision. With Facebook there is no option, they track everyone regardless.…

Tell me why anyone should care. You have the option of using Facebook or not. If you don't have a Facebook account, they don't have your data. If you don't have a Walgreens loyalty card, they don't have your data. People are faux outraged. They're not really outraged at all. Check this comment in two months and tell me how "outraged" people are at Facebook for selling their data. It would depend on what kind of "demo…

Facebook absolutely tracks non users and builds profiles in them. Those like and retweet buttons on websites are doing just that. Even if you don't click them! It isn't the same as a completely optional loyalty card.

However, I do agree its mainly fuax outrage that will pass shortly. The stock is already recovering

Re: Friendica – A Decentralized Social Network

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Thank you Friendica team! We need more work in this space! > Friendica runs on PHP with MySQL as a database. If you can run WordPress, you can run Friendica. This is a problem. I picture the future decentralized systems being a self-contained system that runs on your device (desktop or mobile) as well as servers for more technical people . To this end the only scripting language that can pull this off is Javascript.…

No!! God not electron. Please no more electron apps. This seems pretty good but haven't used it yet. https://proton-native.js.org

Re: Friendica – A Decentralized Social Network

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This is yet another platform solution. The problem with platform solutions is that they still present one and only one choice of software. Decentralized systems can only take off if they are built around standardized protocols - this is why email works. The choice of smtp servers to run, email clients to choose from, that's what's making it resilient. Ideas like ActivityPub, webmentions, microsub, micropub, while not…

Emphasis should be on the requirements. What do we want the system to do? And how can we control our privacy? Let's answer these questions first.

Here's a question I genuinely don't know the answer to: is there a standard format or file format for requirements and motivational modelling? I feel like now would be the PERFECT time for a collaborative Archimate 3.0 motivation model design, but I know of exactly zero tools that could do this remotely and at scale.

Re: Friendica – A Decentralized Social Network

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Changing goalposts. chrstphrknwtn was responding to your comment on privacy and now you changed to talking about decentralized social networks. Quote: > I would say 90% or more of Facebook users couldn't care less if their data is sold to advertisers. So, changing goalposts.

How am I changing goalposts? I'm making the point that "a lot" is a throwaway term. It's like saying a car is "very fast." Well, compared to a jet, a car is not fast at all. Also, "a lot" means something different to me than it does to you. So saying "a lot" of people do or believe anything is meaningless.

> How am I changing goalposts?

chrstphrknwtn was responding to your comment on privacy and now you changed to talking about decentralized social networks.

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