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What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper?

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Re: What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper?

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For 22 years I used toilet paper until I traveled to South East Asia where every toilet has a seperate sprinkler. After a few toilet visits I decided to give it a GO. Man, toilet paper feels strange and plain stupid now. Water is way cheaper, doesn't hurt your "behind" and I feel cleaner afterwards. Paper seems an invention to sell something we really don't need (by Mad Men :-)).

Maybe I'm weird, but I've been spitting on toilet paper for years.

Re: What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper?

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A proper squat puts zero pressure on the knees. That's why people with ACL injuries are still able to do squats. Grab a copy of a basic barbell weightlifting book, and you'll see - it'll say the same thing.

Maybe what the other commenter was referring to was something like weak leg muscles that manifest as pain in or around the knee.

A lot depends on the age from which you've been squatting. I don't mean weight-lift squats, just squatting on the ground.

Most people from Asia are able to squat pretty comfortably, comfortably as in heel on the ground and not exerting any calf or knee tension, having done it since childhood. Most Western Europeans and Americans can no, the heel of the foot doesn't rest on the ground and squatting is done on the ball of the foot therefore calf and knee pressure.

Re: What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper?

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It was funny to see this HN post tonight. This week I'm doing upgrades to the DCS (distributed control system) operator stations at one of the largest tissue manufacturing sites in the US. I was just telling my fiancé how funny the security is here. You would think they were enriching uranium. When I first got into the paper industry, which resulted from coming out of grad school during the Great Recession, I thought…

The way US homes are designed it's hard to add a bidet to an existing bathroom, but doing away with toilet paper must be a goal. Unless you wash, you cannot feel "good" down there. That's the truth.

Go in the morning then take a shower... my normal routine.

Re: What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper?

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Even in the USA, it is fairly trivial to attach a bidet. Being from India, I could not live without it and went on to install it in all our bathrooms. Takes less than 30 minutes to install one, and you can order one from Amazon

But they break and make cleaning more difficult.

I've been using a $30 bidet for a couple years now with not a hint of trouble. Figured I'd test the concept out before dropping real money on a Toto, then realized that I actually like the water cold. I clean the toilet the same way I always have -- with a toilet brush. The bidet does not really change that process meaningfully.

Re: What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper?

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There are non-electronic bidets that I found worked just as well (you rotated a nob to spray water using just water pressure).

I installed one of these at home. Absolutely superb.

That sounds like a rather... brisk experience in the colder months. I hope you live where the winters are mild!

Re: What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper?

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we seriously need a better solution for toilets. toilets use huge amounts of water. if you want to have a toilet in a moving vehicle, or anywhere that is not directly connected to a sewage line and a giant water treatment plant, then you are just out of luck because all the mobile toilet solutions out there suck. it amazes me that a good solution has evaded us for so long. when considering how to travel where-ever i…

I would be curious if all this plastic in your plan actually saves resoures over water.

im not sure how you and every single other person who responded to my comment came to think that this was about saving resources. the only reason i dont want to use water is because water is a terrible way of taking care of waste on a mobile platform. water is super heavy and you have to use a lot of it each time you flush. and on top of that, the result is a toilet that slowly gets super dirty. plastic is better because you could store hundreds of "flushes" in a small box that doesnt weigh anything and because the toilet is totally and completely clean after every flush assuming all the waste stays inside the bowl and doesnt splatter up and out all over the place (which is a pretty good assumption). and lastly the waste can be stored with almost the minimum possible weight overhead and doesnt make its storage tank dirty or smelly. overall you have a lightweight, highly clean and maintenance free system.

in the end, water and plastic are largely the same thing. oxygen, hydrogen and carbon are all you need to make either. recycling plastic will, in the future, be trivial. same with water and all other substances.

Re: What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper?

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we seriously need a better solution for toilets. toilets use huge amounts of water. if you want to have a toilet in a moving vehicle, or anywhere that is not directly connected to a sewage line and a giant water treatment plant, then you are just out of luck because all the mobile toilet solutions out there suck. it amazes me that a good solution has evaded us for so long. when considering how to travel where-ever i…

1 this sounds utterly wasteful

2 and it already exists and is common in eg. campers

Re: What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper?

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Isn't that awkward? Your underwear will get wet, and also your skin is moist... and warm. Which is a good place for bacteria to grow?

It dries up way quicker than you might imagine. Especially, I guess it should be quicker in drier climates.

> should be quicker in drier climates

Which the Philippines, where this is widespread practice, definitely isn't.

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>If I had poo on my arm, I'd use soap and water to clean it then rinse well. This is the correct answer. Baby wipes or go home.

Plumbing wasn't designed for them in most places. Most of them are not really "flushable" like they claim.

Thankfully we also invented rubbish bins to dispose of stuff instead of throwing it down our pipes.

Re: What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper?

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But they break and make cleaning more difficult.

I've been using a $30 bidet for a couple years now with not a hint of trouble. Figured I'd test the concept out before dropping real money on a Toto, then realized that I actually like the water cold. I clean the toilet the same way I always have -- with a toilet brush. The bidet does not really change that process meaningfully.

I guess my experience living in a house with one of these in-bowl bidets was very different. It introduced more nooks and crannies than a simple bowl, and necessitated more frequent cleanings.
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