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Giving up reading news will make us happier

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Re: Giving up reading news will make us happier

#181

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"My anger and outrage has helped me aid numerous political campaigns and individuals with money, time and emotional support." I hope your correct in this; I've felt similarly in the past. As I've gotten older, I've felt more like a lot of what I was seeing as useful action was the fantasy of useful action. That is, I haven't seen a lot of real gains or losses due to my own political actions. Maybe I just don't give e…

Look to history. I think you are absolutely right that it's purely performative to make political donations to major parties or go and phone bank for politicians that can at best make incremental change (and will more likely allow big business to make things worse). The things that have worked before are much more disruptive. You could try taking part in protests and marches or other direct actions that put real pres…

I agree that those kinds of direct actions are real and effective actions.

Typically, direct action isn't what the people advocating that I watch the news as a form of checking my privilege seem to be advocating, but that might be my own personal bias and merely anecdotal.

Re: Giving up reading news will make us happier

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Anecdotally, my experience lines up with this article. I was getting depressed with the constant negativity, so cut out daily news, social media, etc. I have to admit, it's pretty wonderful. And somewhat ironic, given that I used to be the TL of Google News 10 years ago. I still read The Economist weekly, come to HN occasionally, and hear about important/local/political events from friends. I don't, however, have to…

Hey, Chris! I largely agree with you, and think reading things like the Economist on a weekly basis is salutary - it's weekly, so building a reading habit around it doesn't lead to constant panic. It's broad, covers a lot of what's going on around the world and isn't as obsessed with the trivialities American media focuses on. As a guy who used to work on Google News with you, I always appreciated the effort to get m…

I'm pretty sure you can remain informed while reading the news once a week. In fact, I would argue you are likely to be _better_ informed as you will be reading about the most important information, viewing the long term stories that have staying power. By only reading once a week you avoid the hot, attention-grabbing-but-ultimately-inconsequential story of the day.

As for voting, you generally receive a "voter information" packet before hand. If you aren't reading the news then a "good citizen" ought to do their own research rather than rely on a news source to provide you with information.

Re: Giving up reading news will make us happier

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Look, I think this is great and all, but I'm pretty skeptical of this chant, "If the news bothers you so much because of what you're reading, just stop reading. It's not like you can change it." Obviously, events that already happened can't be changed. But a lot of what upsets people so much is about legal interpretation and political policy. These things are changeable, and direct (and/or collective) action can chan…

>But a lot of what upsets people so much is about legal interpretation and political policy.

Maybe for the HN crowd, but my observation about the populace at large does not agree with this.

A lot of what upsets people is a narrative they have in their minds about the world, and mostly that narrative is shaped by the media in some form or other (pundits, talk shows, etc). People react to news events, but it is the underlying narrative that defines their reactions. Once a narrative is stuck in you head, you become partially blind. News items that don't fit the narrative often are not processed and forgotten quickly. News items that do fit are remembered and repeated for years.

Rarely do I find someone who has formed relatively independent opinions about the stuff they read/see in the news. Rarely do they perform any kind of critical thinking. These holes in their knowledge are easily exposed when they talk to a neutral party who does not follow the news and knows little about the subject. That party doesn't have a narrative, so he will quickly come up with clarifying questions that throw the average news reader off.

So while on the surface political policy seems what people are upset about, it really isn't.

>Further, resistance to propaganda and misinformation is not an attribute of mentality. It's a combination of learned skills and _context_.

I agree that it takes a lot of learned skills and context. I disagree with the next statement:

>By yielding all current contextual information, you are severely damaging your ability to process current events.

I find the moderately informed are always the most misinformed. I find the ones who actively do not read the news, while still uninformed, are generally not misinformed.

Now some people will develop the skills to analyze the news well. They will always be a small minority. Encouraging people to read the news and to try to think critically may fail more than simply disengaging. I often tell my friends that the one lesson I learned while being a news junkie was that unless your goal is to understand as much of the news as possible (including how it is curated, etc), you're better off enjoying life instead. Just trying to stay up to date with the news so you don't feel out of touch will position you poorly.

Re: Giving up reading news will make us happier

#185

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> I would never have a problem with people advocating for incremental changes and I've seen people make small gains in those directions. > However, I believe that the complete disarmament of the police for and more or less the total abolition of prisions is the only workable solution. "Perfect is the enemy of the good," a common form of apathetic thinking. It's defensive in many cases, I grant, but it is still ultima…

True. Also true: we often prefer the fantasy of symbolic action over the realization that we have no power over some situations. Often, small gains are a wedge that prevents real change. I know that probably needs support with examples for which I don't have time to provide, so let me just say that is just my view and I don't expect other people to share that idea.

You say "often" but I confess I'm struggling to agree. I can't think of many times. And I'm quite frustrated with, for example, Sanders refusing to support moderate progress on gun control in preference to a hypothetical Big Action.

If you do nothing, you did nothing. There is no strategic advantage to waiting forever for the perfect opportunity. Nor is that really how politics in my government works. It's by design an incremental process.

Re: Giving up reading news will make us happier

#186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"My anger and outrage has helped me aid numerous political campaigns and individuals with money, time and emotional support." I hope your correct in this; I've felt similarly in the past. As I've gotten older, I've felt more like a lot of what I was seeing as useful action was the fantasy of useful action. That is, I haven't seen a lot of real gains or losses due to my own political actions. Maybe I just don't give e…

Look to history. I think you are absolutely right that it's purely performative to make political donations to major parties or go and phone bank for politicians that can at best make incremental change (and will more likely allow big business to make things worse). The things that have worked before are much more disruptive. You could try taking part in protests and marches or other direct actions that put real pres…

>Look to history.

Be careful. History may well tell you that protests and marches generally failed, and the ones we talk about are the exceptions.

Re: Giving up reading news will make us happier

#187

Anecdotally, my experience lines up with this article. I was getting depressed with the constant negativity, so cut out daily news, social media, etc. I have to admit, it's pretty wonderful. And somewhat ironic, given that I used to be the TL of Google News 10 years ago. I still read The Economist weekly, come to HN occasionally, and hear about important/local/political events from friends. I don't, however, have to…

it's possible to listen to news every day and still keep that perspective on how safe and easy our lives are now.

and it's reasonable to want to keep your ears perked up for the longer-term, slow moving and large threats via news (as you do with the economist & hn).

by my estimation, the more immediate existential threat (to americans at least) is not terrorism or foreign governments or even guns or climate change (although we shouldn't lose sight of those things), but rather the economic destabilization brought on by the aggregation of power in large institutions.

the smaller the person is relative to the institution, the more disempowered that individual will feel. let's favor smaller organizations, whether government or business. let's let what's happening immediately around us be the meaning we make of our lives. celebrate local achievements but leave celebrity to entertainment.

we can engage in the local while monitoring the global, without pulling our hair out over it.

Re: Giving up reading news will make us happier

#189
> Out of the approximately 10,000 news stories you have read in the last 12 months, name one that – because you consumed it – allowed you to make a better decision about a serious matter affecting your life, your career or your business.

Up to date reports about hurricane Irma's path.

Did I do it? Did I just when the internet?

Re: Giving up reading news will make us happier

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post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, Chris! I largely agree with you, and think reading things like the Economist on a weekly basis is salutary - it's weekly, so building a reading habit around it doesn't lead to constant panic. It's broad, covers a lot of what's going on around the world and isn't as obsessed with the trivialities American media focuses on. As a guy who used to work on Google News with you, I always appreciated the effort to get m…

I'm pretty sure you can remain informed while reading the news once a week. In fact, I would argue you are likely to be _better_ informed as you will be reading about the most important information, viewing the long term stories that have staying power. By only reading once a week you avoid the hot, attention-grabbing-but-ultimately-inconsequential story of the day. As for voting, you generally receive a "voter infor…

Yes, I quite agree - reading the news once a week can lead you to be incredibly well-informed. But since the OP was asserting that one oughtn't read the news at all, I find "once/week" to be a rather different proposition.
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