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Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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> If you treat your Youtube presence as a business you are doing it wrong to begin with Why? If you are aware of the risks, have alternate monetization scheme, back-ups and mirrors of your videos, what's the problem of relying on a company who can distribute videos way better than what one person can do?

That's a responsible attitude. Sadly, that attitude does not seem to be the prevailing one.

> Sadly, that attitude does not seem to be the prevailing one.

You are right. I was just trying to point out how treating one's YT presence as a business could be done right, but I agree that's not the majority of Youtubers.

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> It trips some random check and is flagged and de-monetized this is the problem i think a lot of youtubers have. If only youtube can clearly say what they are checking or set guidelines for monetizations to follow. Of course, the issue they must have is that guidelines are often skirted around - youtubers (and internet in general) is known for attempting to edge towards the limits...

At least one possibility would be to add a possibility to pass the checks before releasing the video.

> pass the checks before releasing the video.

unless you're restricted in how many times you're allowed to check the video, this will just become the same game-able system. There isn't a good way tbh - i think a free-for-all (ala, streamable!) is the best democratic option.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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At least one possibility would be to add a possibility to pass the checks before releasing the video.

> pass the checks before releasing the video. unless you're restricted in how many times you're allowed to check the video, this will just become the same game-able system. There isn't a good way tbh - i think a free-for-all (ala, streamable!) is the best democratic option.

That is true. The push to de-monetise controversial videos comes from the advertisers rather than google though.

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While they're not directly responsible, the problem was entirely of their making. They created a whole new profession (even my 8-year-old son wants to grow up to be a "professional youtubber") and then arbitrarily destroy careers. The created an environment where people could work hard to create their own destiny while giving themselves the ability to destroy those destinies without cause or recourse. It was only a m…

> The created an environment where people could work hard to create their own destiny while giving themselves the ability to destroy those destinies without cause or recourse. > It was only a matter of time until one of those furious victims took up a gun to get revenge. I strongly disagree that given YouTube's arbitrary policies murderous retaliation was inevitable. However, your pointing to the economic context of…

> I strongly disagree that given YouTube's arbitrary policies murderous retaliation was inevitable.

It's the law of large numbers at work. With how many youtubers there are, and how severely some have been impacted, and how two faced/hypocritical they've been, and the current state of mental health in america I don't think it's rational to believe the risk is zero.

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I'm not making a slippery slope argument. I'm asking where you draw the line. Does Congress pass a bill declaring Facebook public? The rules can't be gut feeling, how do I tell the difference between a comment section that is a public place and one that isn't? If there are two types of things: A which is a public place and B which isn't, how do I sort into those two bins? "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the…

> I'm not making a slippery slope argument. I'm asking where you draw the line. Well, one starting point would be looking at past examples of antitrust action. The AT&T and Standard Oil cases might be instructive. > What part of the first amendment guarantees me YouTube has to host and monetize my videos? It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the First Amendment. I think they should either be declared a com…

>required to serve all without discrimination

"discrimination" legally is about protected classes, and like I said expressed opinions aren't protected classes.

Do you take 'required to serve all' as services without moderation? I don't really want to be surrounded by opinion anarchy.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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> I don't blame the advertisers one bit from wanting to remove their ads from many videos. Once the media starts playing the game that "an ad on the video == the advertiser agrees with the message" I too would want to do everything I can to ensure that I'm not associated with bad things. Why do we do that on youtube when we don't do that on TV? Do we assume that if you're ad runs during you agree with the jokes in it…

Happens on TV relatively often. Bill O'Reilly got the boot because advertisers pulled their ads after he got caught up in sexual harassment claims. TV just has also built up years of trust with advertisers and have legal departments reviewing all their content while YouTube was throwing up ads in front of ISIS recruitment videos.

You're probably right, I don't watch cable TV so it was a poor comparison.

Nobody is complaining that ISIS is losing their youtube ad revenue stream, that's a strawman argument. ISIS recruitment videos violate youtube's guidelines so they'd just be taken down, that's not what we're talking about here. What's actually happening is videos that have a dissenting or unpopular viewpoint have their ads removed, with a lot of harmless content caught in the crossfire due to the indiscriminate nature of youtube's algorithms.

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> do people violently oppose vegans I doubt being vegan is the key here. Though there is a fair amount of bullying, through ad-homenim attacks or idiots just trying to wind people up for shits & giggles. There are also some with a persecution complex that seem to take even the slightest criticism as a violent attack. This is not constrained to veganism though: there are similarly unhinged people in many walks of life…

Animal rights activists are fighting back against animal exploiters' chronic lack of moral sensibility.

Fighting fire with fire...

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Homicide has long been the number 2 cause of death in the workplace in the U.S. You can find statistics going back as far as 1992. Layoffs are indeed often a motivation. Hence the term, "going postal."

Homicide has long been the number 2 cause of death in the workplace in the U.S. That stat doesn't pass the sniff test, so I looked up some numbers[1]. In 2016, there were 500 workplace homicides in the US. No where near the 2nd most common cause of death. [1] https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf

It depends on if you group together accidental deaths. Homicide is not number 2 if you break all the accidents out, for example, "vehicle accidents," "falls," etc. are both more frequent than homicides. If you group together accident-types, then homicide is number 2 and you will often see it referred to as such.

https://www.osha.gov/dte/grant_materials/fy03/46j3-ht47/prev...

I should have clarified that I can see how it would seem improbable.

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