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Whats with the downvotes? That guys username is and my comment are both references to a TV show.
That may be part of the problem. Silly jokes don't go down well on HN, as they're distractions from the conversation. It's considered "Reddit-like" behaviour, and discouraged through downvotes.
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Re: Half of European flights delayed due to system failure
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
Decade old UK tv series on BBC two? I imagine most have never heard of it. I was thinking more of an even older show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn2FB1P_Mn8
It's very common that someone hasn't heard of everything. It's why down votes without explanation are bad, like on StackOverflow. It was in reference to That Mitchell and Webb Look: https://youtu.be/AIxz6BDmTNU https://youtu.be/THNPmhBl-8I
However HN does seem to curate specific on topic informative posts, especially early on in the conversation (when everyone is reading, rather than just people looking for replies to their comments).
Overall I think I agree with the policy.
Re: Half of European flights delayed due to system failure
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
That may be part of the problem. Silly jokes don't go down well on HN, as they're distractions from the conversation. It's considered "Reddit-like" behaviour, and discouraged through downvotes.
Are you saying humour isn't allowed on HN?
Re: Half of European flights delayed due to system failure
#104Everyone at that organisation is paid boatloads of money. [1]
They don't pay taxes on it. (~10%, "for solidarity", which means they get to enjoy healthcare paid by ~55% taxed nationals)
And 90% of the organisation (especially the management) has absolutely nothing, nothing whatsoever, to do with guiding planes anywhere. In fact, those departments are severely understaffed. The department doing "regulatory support" is about 2/3rds of the organisation (tldr: making sure half the local government officials don't have to get their own coffee - and before you say it, no, Eurocontrol employees don't get them coffee, they're merely in charge of making sure someone's there to get them coffee, and steak, cake, and ... The coffees, I might add, are baffling. Done from a steam boiler machine in front of you, with fair trade beans, sweetened not with sugar, but with expensive imported bars of chocolate meled in milk that's frothed in front of you (they put in the chocolate somehow while they're frothing the milk with steam, melting it in while not getting the steam on the chocolate somehow), and you get the rest of the case of that (expensive) chocolate to take home for the kids. No, not when you ask, they'll ask you if you want that. Btw, it's not really the rest of the case they give you, you get a fresh case. Oh and of course, of the bar they opened they prepare just one coffee (about 1/4th of the bar). The rest gets thrown into the trashcan, they don't use the same bar for the next coffee. As for the steaks ... oh my God)
And in case you're wondering: the odds of 2 planes colliding with zero guidance outside of the ATC zones around airports (which aren't covered by Eurocontrol) over even a region as big as Europe are more than 10 billion to 1, against, per year. So if Eurocontrol didn't exist at all, and we just allowed every plane to fly wherever ... nothing would go wrong at all.
So ... what is the problem here ? Disruption of millions of travelers for no reason whatsoever ? Let's please not pretend anyone at Eurocontrol cares (well, they care about not being interfered with, and that will make them care NOW, but if one thing's guaranteed it's that the Software/ATC departments will remain the same size, and only the bribery departments will grow)
[1] http://www.eurocontrol.int/sites/default/files/content/docum...
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I see this sentiment a lot. Intuitively it seems like it should be true, but I don't think the case is really quite so clear cut. The costs involve way more than just the initial development. Maintenance eats up a huge, perhaps even a majority, of the total cost as well. And outages or other failures can be very expensive too. It's also important to keep in mind that this isn't an all or nothing situation. We can hav…
>The process of developing more reliable software isn't necessarily more expensive than less reliable software. It can even be cheaper. I'm struggling to find the links (maybe somebody else has them handy, or I'll edit them in if I find them), but there have been a few case studies done a few years back by companies that moved to using Ada. In addition to the benefits of more reliable software, they also found develo…
Absolutely. That's part of what I was getting at by mentioning all of this exists on a continuum. We don't need to, and really shouldn't, treat a SaaS startup exactly the same as a military aviation project.
We can, however, draw from the lessons learned on those safety critical projects and use parts of the process that make sense for the nature of whatever we're actually working on.
You're right that in general I suspect that comes down to strong static typing, particularly for the sorts of projects common to the HN crowd. When dealing with very large enterprise projects the balance might start to shift to more than just typing, though it would probably take a lot of real-word data that nobody is keen to supply to figure out where the tipping points are.
And I'd argue about how well Rust actually helps with these things, but that would really be going off the rails. Unfortunately.
Re: Half of European flights delayed due to system failure
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Re: Half of European flights delayed due to system failure
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I wonder if that is due to Heathrow using Time-Based Separation software. https://www.airport-technology.com/news/optimised-runway-too...
Technically, Time Based Separation helps only arrivals since it tries to negate the effects of headwinds on final approach, but it does add a lot of resilience to the airport to absorb delays that would normally ripple to departures.
There is a digital display facing the pilot showing him when he can depart. Even which size aircraft are allowed to depart. It's extremely well organized.