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Considering that tesla w/ autopilot enabled is less safe than tesla w/ autopilot disabled, I'm going to go with "no, if you control for those factors it doesn't reduce fatalities".
Source?
Tesla crash in September showed similarities to fatal Mountain View accident
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Re: Tesla crash in September showed similarities to fatal Mountain View accident
#352What is happening was clear to many since the start: Tesla incarnates the behavior of his founder, exaggerating the technology that is really available right now, and selling it as a product without the premise for it to be safe. A product that kinda drives your car but sometimes fails, and requires you to pay attention, is simply a crash that we are waiting to happen. And don't get trapped by the "data driven" analy…
Functionality that can _most_ of the time drive itself without human intervention and occasionally drives itself into a divider on the highway seems like a callous disregard for human life & how such functionality will be used.
Sure, everything is avoidable, if there's some expectation it needs to be avoided.
The whole point of autopilot is to avoid focusing on the road all of the time. So setting up circumstances under which humans perceive the functionality (autopilot) behaving as expected most of the time, then its highly likely they'll treat it as such & will succumb to a false sense of security.
My point: when a feature is life threatening your marketing fluff shouldn't deviate significantly from your legal language.
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Now imagine all people have Tesla, and someone makes a prank on the middle of a bridge, they paint a line that makes all traffic plunge down, imagine now that they are so confident they removed the driver seat, you have all those passengers looking on the windows on how their cars are driving them to their deaths and there is nothing they can do. So should this cars follow some line blindly? I think that this tech sh…
You could say the same for trains though - they follow a track in a similar sense to Tesla's autopilot. Someone could perform a "prank" by putting something on the track in order to derail a train. How often do you see that happen? Painting a line on the road is obviously easier to do, and could also happen by accident, but I think the chances of any danger are extremely low. Hopefully when we start removing the driv…
Actually derailing a train takes serious effort; but people still try constantly. Derailing a Tesla seems somewhat easier, so I guess we’ll see.
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"extreme levels of pollution" is not the same as a bio-chemical weapon.
Can you expand on this and provide evidence to support your claim? I would imagine Telsa would have throughly vetted this statement however I'm curious to hear how bio-chemical weapons differ from extreme pollution (they do also mention viruses)
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I would guess "we'll give you social network, not a total-surveillance tool" would qualify. I don't think the second part would have been a reasonable expectation.
Would you point at FB marketing that has this message?
Re: Tesla crash in September showed similarities to fatal Mountain View accident
#356Gore point stripe faded: https://imgur.com/a/xHq57 Street View: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6346515,-122.104109,3a,75y,8...
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Can you think of any reasons or situations where that logic fails? I can think of tons. The very challenging, and somewhat unusual given the life/death stakes, aspect of this domain in general is that general 'easy' logic works for 99% of the scenarios. But in the remaining 1% -- and I mean every single possible last scenario, whether probable or not -- the "what to do" is so much more difficult. Enough time to do it…
slowing down should be the first thing a car does in these scenarios. the confidence factor matters less as speed approaches zero. seriously, i slow down when i am unsure of the conditions, i surely have never evaluated every last scenario, and i have never run into a concrete barrier.
Re: Tesla crash in September showed similarities to fatal Mountain View accident
#358Gore point stripe faded: https://imgur.com/a/xHq57 Street View: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6346515,-122.104109,3a,75y,8...
No real excuse for Tesla, but seriously why are our roads so bad. This is one of the wealthiest areas in the world and a busy stretch of road.
California had a lot of fires it had to fight last year. Where did that budget come from?
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#359Self driving cars have absolutely no business being any road/lanes that is not purposely made/reserved for self driving cars. Period. Self driving cars need an ecosystem made for self driving cars. It's frankly madness to think otherwise.
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Funny, Nassim Taleb, a worldwide (if controversial) risk probability expert, would say that you are the one which is being very bad at reasoning with probabilities, because you are putting Ebola and terrorism in the same class of risk as falling off a ladder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dKiLclupUM
I would agree with flu (which is a fat tail risk, eg the spanish flu), but not terrorism (these are small local events) and ebola (ebola has a very low risk of transmission, it is just that it is very deadly once transmitted). But classifying risks is one thing. Worrying in your daily life to the point of opposing a public policy is another. An asteroid wiping out life on earth is an even fatter tail risk, but the pr…
You assume you know the probability distributions, you compare them and determine that nuclear will kill less than coal burning.
Except that you might have never observed a black swan event before (eg. massive sabotage of nuclear plants).
So the probability distributions you inferred from past events might be wrong.
The case of a lottery is different as the probability distribution of outcomes can be determined with certainty.