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Making the Touch Bar useful by abandoning Apple guidelines

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Re: Making the Touch Bar useful by abandoning Apple guidelines

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Post by theafroc »

rwz wrote: post #106

The biggest problem with touchbar is that Apple intentionally made non-touchbar model inferior in terms of hardware and the amount of USB-C ports to make sure ppl buy touchbar. This is truly infuriating and I'm sure, was done for purely marketing reasons. I'd buy a non-touchbar model if it had the same hardware as a touchbar model in a heartbeat.

I bought a 15" MacBook Pro without the Touch Bar today. It doesn't have any usb c ports but neither did my old MacBook Air, so I don't care. Maybe I am a dinosaur.

Re: Making the Touch Bar useful by abandoning Apple guidelines

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Post by rickycook »

chvid wrote: post #267
abtinf wrote: post #213

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I’ve always used iPhones and had no idea this feature existed. Thanks.

I don't want to digress into why 3D touch is bad design. But you are sort of pointing it out right there. Everything has to be learned. There is no natural metaphor or "affordance" that guides how it is supposed to be used. It changes from device to device, from application to application. I am pretty sure that Apple had plenty of design people (or just people with common sense) pointing out the flaws of the touch ba…

the same argument has been applied to voice assistants, but that doesn’t stop them being incredibly handy

Re: Making the Touch Bar useful by abandoning Apple guidelines

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Post by nkkollaw »

It's really amazing how little insight Apple showed with their latest moves.

They removed all ports, replaced keyboard with a noisy one that stops working unless you clean it daily, reduced battery life to make the thing a few millimeters thinner.

The touchbar is the worst part: a solution in search for a problem.

So sad.

Re: Making the Touch Bar useful by abandoning Apple guidelines

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Post by Brometheus »

pentae wrote: post #251
greglindahl wrote: post #242

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I touch type, and I've never touch typed a function key.

If you aren't accessing the volume control or screen brightness keys without looking down then you're not really a touch typist :)

You are not a real touch typist, if you don't write with butterflies.

Re: Making the Touch Bar useful by abandoning Apple guidelines

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Post by vbezhenar »

flukus wrote: post #224
aroman wrote: post #206

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Have you actually used 3D touch? Because I use it just about every day, so much so that it's one of the biggest things I miss when using phones that don't have it. It also isn't touted as a major selling point anymore -- it just quietly exists, serving an extremely useful purpose as a better "right click" for touch screens. The touch bar I agree is major marketing hype.

Have you seen non-technical people using their devices, particularly older people? Every button press they make is a force touch and if that doesn't do what's expected they'll press harder. It's hard enough getting them not to long press or double click and now the company known for making things easy to use is making things even more confusing for lay people.

They stopped caring about those people when they dropped skeuomorphic design. They expect their users to have some experience with phones.

Re: Making the Touch Bar useful by abandoning Apple guidelines

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Post by sametmax »

rwz wrote: post #106

The biggest problem with touchbar is that Apple intentionally made non-touchbar model inferior in terms of hardware and the amount of USB-C ports to make sure ppl buy touchbar. This is truly infuriating and I'm sure, was done for purely marketing reasons. I'd buy a non-touchbar model if it had the same hardware as a touchbar model in a heartbeat.

It's not that infuriating, since you gave them your money anyway. And a lot of it.

You warmly, and strongly screamed "do that again please" with a big heart shape.

Re: Making the Touch Bar useful by abandoning Apple guidelines

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Post by rickycook »

tigershark wrote: post #268
hug wrote: post #199

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The vast majority of working professionals have not memorised what the F-keys do in arbitrary situations. (If you don't believe this, you've never worked in as a consultant for a wide variety of companies in a wide variety of professional fields.) Not only do people not know what the F-keys do, but they have no ability to determine what an F-key might do in any given situation. Not so with the touch bar. The touch ba…

I don’t know recently but in my experience it’s absolutely false. In the ERPs or other enterprisy software they HAD to press the F-keys to do anything. If they could do it 20 years ago I simply can’t believe that suddenly humanity has devolved and it’s unable to use function keys today.

i’m sure that humanity has the ability to learn to use he escape keys, just like i’m sure you have the ability to learn to farm your own food. that doesn’t mean you should have to do it to get things done though

computers have gotten easier and learning what F5 does is not in the realm of necessary things that people should have to know to operate their work device

Re: Making the Touch Bar useful by abandoning Apple guidelines

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Post by hjnilsson »

mikenew wrote: post #107
rwz wrote: post #106

The biggest problem with touchbar is that Apple intentionally made non-touchbar model inferior in terms of hardware and the amount of USB-C ports to make sure ppl buy touchbar. This is truly infuriating and I'm sure, was done for purely marketing reasons. I'd buy a non-touchbar model if it had the same hardware as a touchbar model in a heartbeat.

Don't forget the huge price hike "because of the touchbar" that included the non-touchbar model.

I would buy the one without the Touch Bar, even if it cost more!

I would almost assume that if they ever make a new model without the touch bar, there would be no price reduction for it.

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