Tesla crash in September showed similarities to fatal Mountain View accident
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Re: Tesla crash in September showed similarities to fatal Mountain View accident
#2Week after the fatal accident Musk continues to promote Autopilot as safe by retweeting stuff like
https://twitter.com/Teslarati/status/980476745106231297
Tesla Model S navigates one of Vienna’s ‘crappiest’ roads on Autopilot
IIHS '17 study puts Autopilot at only reducing 40% accidents which is the same as their '16 study which had the same 40% reduction for any car with Auto Emergency Braking.
Re: Tesla crash in September showed similarities to fatal Mountain View accident
#3Gore point stripe faded: https://imgur.com/a/xHq57
Street View: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6346515,-122.104109,3a,75y,8...
Re: Tesla crash in September showed similarities to fatal Mountain View accident
#4Gore point stripe faded: https://imgur.com/a/xHq57 Street View: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6346515,-122.104109,3a,75y,8...
Can somebody just go out there and paint the road?
There have been at least two other video near collisions of people driving on that section - it seems dangerous.
Re: Tesla crash in September showed similarities to fatal Mountain View accident
#5Gore point stripe faded: https://imgur.com/a/xHq57 Street View: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6346515,-122.104109,3a,75y,8...
If your point is "Autopilot only works on perfect roads" then they might have well pull the plug right now.
Dirt, snow, rain, fog, dark, and other common conditions could obscure even correctly painted lines, and it just isn't realistic to expect perfect roads throughout such a large network anyway (in particular as human drivers can infer the line is meant to be there from the neighboring lines).
At its core, a system like Autopilot is meant to stand in for humans. Plus in this video where they reproduced the accident there was a full chevron pattern so the argument is flawed/wrong anyway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QCF8tVqM3I
Re: Tesla crash in September showed similarities to fatal Mountain View accident
#6Gore point stripe faded: https://imgur.com/a/xHq57 Street View: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6346515,-122.104109,3a,75y,8...
Can somebody just go out there and paint the road? There have been at least two other video near collisions of people driving on that section - it seems dangerous.
Holy shit that’s a good idea, we should just fucking do it ourselves.
This reminds me when I was living in the Midwest and there was this one spot where I had to do a u turn in my commute which was very dangerous because of some tree branches obstructing view of oncoming traffic. One day I almost got into an accident and since it shook me quite a lot, I wrote an email to the city that the tree branch needed to be trimmed so I could see better. Sure enough I got an email back a few days later from a woman saying they “understand my frustrations” or something like that. I thought I did my part and went on with my day. Fast forward about a month, and I almost get in an accident at the same spot, man I was fucking furious that my communication with city was just “ohh we understand” —- instead of employing a sea of men and women telling me that they “understand” why could they have just not just trimmed the tree and improved safety.
If I was still living there I think I would have just gone with my chainsaw and done it myself.
Re: Tesla crash in September showed similarities to fatal Mountain View accident
#7Gore point stripe faded: https://imgur.com/a/xHq57 Street View: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6346515,-122.104109,3a,75y,8...
No real excuse for Tesla, but seriously why are our roads so bad. This is one of the wealthiest areas in the world and a busy stretch of road.
Re: Tesla crash in September showed similarities to fatal Mountain View accident
#8There certainly do appear to be some similarities. But without the car's logs, it isn't possible for anyone reading this forum to know for sure.
That's what the NTSB is for.
Re: Tesla crash in September showed similarities to fatal Mountain View accident
#9Gore point stripe faded: https://imgur.com/a/xHq57 Street View: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6346515,-122.104109,3a,75y,8...
But the car should still detect
(i) That there is an obstacle fast approaching.
(ii) That all cars in front of it is doing something else -- time to slow down.
Re: Tesla crash in September showed similarities to fatal Mountain View accident
#10Gore point stripe faded: https://imgur.com/a/xHq57 Street View: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6346515,-122.104109,3a,75y,8...
If your point is "Autopilot only works on perfect roads" then they might have well pull the plug right now. Dirt, snow, rain, fog, dark, and other common conditions could obscure even correctly painted lines, and it just isn't realistic to expect perfect roads throughout such a large network anyway (in particular as human drivers can infer the line is meant to be there from the neighboring lines). At its core, a syst…
Agreed. That was in Chicago. It also was reproduced exactly in CA crash location in https://electrek.co/2018/04/03/tesla-autopilot-crash-barrier...