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Making the Touch Bar useful by abandoning Apple guidelines

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Re: Making the Touch Bar useful by abandoning Apple guidelines

#131
from the article :

> the Touch Bar still remains the useless shit and there is no hope Apple will fix it.

> As a machine, MacBook Pro is great. But not because of the Touch Bar. Touch Bar is an inflamed appendix, the same dumb shit as Siri. If Apple had implemented it as an additional row and not the F-keys replacement, everyone would forget about it in a couple of days.

> The reason is simple — that's how you see your laptop 99% of the time:

This is exactly how I feel about the Touch Bar.

If it had been an additional row I would not have minded. I don't dislike sliders to change the volume and I would prefer to see track title there than as notification (notifications create a pavlovian response where I think they are alert for something important, so it is very unpleasant for me to see one popping up for play music).

However, since it is taking away the functions key that I use all the time and replace them with a screen, I strongly prefer using my 2015 MBP over the more recent one.

Re: Making the Touch Bar useful by abandoning Apple guidelines

#132

I’m a non-tech savvy person who happens to work in tech. I find the touch bar very useful. This is what I believe: the touchbar is for people like me... people who never learned to use the F keys, people who aren’t obsessive about shortcuts but appreciate them when discovered. In short, it’s for the 90% of software users that float between general public and pro users. It works.

I’m a savvy person in tech and I love the touch bar because it makes me not have to use a mouse or leave the home row much. When there is a prompt I can tap it on the touch bar . If I want to edit pictures I can use it to go through pictures individually. I can rotate them easily too. I have RSI and it makes my wrists hurt less. Also the touchid feature is awesome which makes me type less.

Also, it makes it easy to discover features for apps that support it .

Re: Making the Touch Bar useful by abandoning Apple guidelines

#133

I’m a non-tech savvy person who happens to work in tech. I find the touch bar very useful. This is what I believe: the touchbar is for people like me... people who never learned to use the F keys, people who aren’t obsessive about shortcuts but appreciate them when discovered. In short, it’s for the 90% of software users that float between general public and pro users. It works.

Exactly. It should be the spotlight of a non-pro laptop. Make a 13" Macbook with touch bar and keep the MBPs touchbar-free.

Re: Making the Touch Bar useful by abandoning Apple guidelines

#134
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I think we are going to look back on this as a dark age of human interfaces. too much touch, not enough tactile

I definitely disagree. I think we're at a great balancing point with touchscreen laptops, the keyboards aren't perfect but they get the job done, and the touchscreen augments that wonderfully. Phones are inherently limited by size, and while I miss physical keyboards, the flexibility of on-screen keyboards more than makes up for it.

tbh I don't really understand why that's needed... I still think milestone2 was best phone ever made control-wise. Great construction, solid keyboard... shame things like that are not made anymore

Re: Making the Touch Bar useful by abandoning Apple guidelines

#135
...and sadly, Apple will never admit the mistake, and give us back the nice keyboard of the 2013 model. All in the quest to save a millimeter or two of height.

My Late 2013 15" MBP is starting to fall apart in its old age - its battery is broken, its feet are starting to come off, it's got a ding in the display... it's just barely sufferable, but not for much longer. At this point, I don't see myself replacing it with a Mac. There's nothing compelling about these Touchbar machines.

However, I'd buy this same machine again if they updated the processor (maybe one of those six core i9s that Intel just rolled out) and bumped the RAM to at least 32GB. More local storage would be nice-to-have, but these days I just don't have much locally on my laptop - it's all on NASes/Desktops. I don't care at all about Thunderbolt and probably can go another 5 years without caring too much about USB-C given how slow peripheral redesign cycles are now. So that's it. That's the only two (or three) upgrades I'd care about. All of the rest would be superfluous to me.

Sadly, I don't see that happening. I'll probably break down and replace the battery in this machine and try my damnest to ride this machine out of the decade...

Re: Making the Touch Bar useful by abandoning Apple guidelines

#136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like you don't need to spend hours trying to run Linux on a laptop. I'd say 20 minutes is enough in general, depending on how you install it. Quicker when using a fast network connection, slower when you first have to get a distribution. But wait, this is not all you get, there is more. You can choose which desktop you want to run, you can install application software at the same moment, you can either start wor…

In 20 minutes I've got all the hardware drivers installed? Do they even exist/work on my machine's specific hardware? Where do I even find them? I get to choose a desktop and a distro to run? I guess I also make those choices in 20 minutes? Did I mention this all comes without official support for a lot of commonly used software (Adobe Suite, Office Suite, etc)? Probably not a good idea to try to make the argument th…

> I get to choose a desktop and a distro to run? I guess I also make those choices in 20 minutes?

Most of the time you choose a distro and desktop that fits you and then install for rest of the time. And in 2018 driver support is generally quite solid.

Re: Making the Touch Bar useful by abandoning Apple guidelines

#137
As far as I'm concerned, the Touch Bar is not useful and will never be useful. I need the physical tactile ESC and F-keys back.

There isn't even an option to make it emulate a standard keyboard row of ESC & F-Keys permanently (with the alternative functionality when you hit Fn, like on a Magic Keyboard).

This "feature" alone has sealed the fate of Apple computer hardware for me. I will not buy another Mac until it has a full developer-level set of features and a full keyboard, one that doesn't cost $700 and five days to repair when it keeps breaking.

I literally don't use my MacBook Pros anymore (one personal, one work) without an external keyboard except when simply impossible. I will literally put a magic keyboard on top of the internal keyboard when that is the only option I have.

Re: Making the Touch Bar useful by abandoning Apple guidelines

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> a purely touchscreen keyboard that doesn't suck Many people would consider an iPhone keyboard to be this…

You can pry my model m from my cold dead fingers. Haptics is no substitute for actual physical feedback.

Have you tried pressing the home button on iPhone 7 or 8, or clicking a trackpad on a recent MacBook Pro?

Re: Making the Touch Bar useful by abandoning Apple guidelines

#139

from the article : > the Touch Bar still remains the useless shit and there is no hope Apple will fix it. > As a machine, MacBook Pro is great. But not because of the Touch Bar. Touch Bar is an inflamed appendix, the same dumb shit as Siri. If Apple had implemented it as an additional row and not the F-keys replacement, everyone would forget about it in a couple of days. > The reason is simple — that's how you see yo…

"If it had been an additional row I would not have minded."

Exactly. I would have configured it to be blank, stay off, and remain off. Give me my physical ESC and F-keys.

Re: Making the Touch Bar useful by abandoning Apple guidelines

#140
I was upset about the touch bar because of the esc key since I am a heavy vim user. Then someone recommended I switch my esc and caps lock keys, now it doesn't bug me anymore. The caps lock key is in a much more convenient position for the esc function anyways.
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