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Who on earth would take time out of their day to write a comment about bottling water, unless they were deeply opposed to it?
Flint resident here. The whole state of Michigan is a little sore about water right now.
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At least to me, this is the system working. Of course anything surrounding Michigan, Nestle and water is going to attract attention and serve as the backdrop for uninformed people to vent their anger. And despite all the backlash the adminstration followed the law and the right call was still made.
That's nice for Nestle, but ignores the fact that Flint is still having water quality problems and replacement of the lead-tainted pipes won't be complete until 2020. It's entirely reasonable that citizens would like their government to prioritize their wellbeing at the expense of regular procedure, considering that the Flint water crisis was a product of government error to start with.
The Muskegon River (the main drainage for the area) has a discharge of 1,450 cubic feet per second at Evart, Michigan (where this facility is located). That is about 11,000 gallons per second, or about 937 million gallons per day. The facility proposes to pump about half a millon gallons per day. Tempest, meet teapot. https://waterdata.usgs.gov/mi/nwis/current/?type=flow
Are they pumping the water from the Muskegon River? No? OK... then... uh... what are you talking about?
The Muskegon River (the main drainage for the area) has a discharge of 1,450 cubic feet per second at Evart, Michigan (where this facility is located). That is about 11,000 gallons per second, or about 937 million gallons per day. The facility proposes to pump about half a millon gallons per day. Tempest, meet teapot. https://waterdata.usgs.gov/mi/nwis/current/?type=flow
For reference, an olympic sized swimming pool holds 660,000 gallons of water. So even after this increase, they are still drawing less than one pool's worth of water.
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Are they pumping the water from the Muskegon River? No? OK... then... uh... what are you talking about?
Nope, they are pumping from the "White Pine Springs well". The aquifer likely refills at a much slower rate than the flow of the Muskegon River
No, most likely it does not. The watershed and the associated aquifer are where the river water comes from.
As to "what that assertion is based on", that would be "knowledge of how the hydrologic cycle works".
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This is not a useful comparison. It equates statewide use to a factory that will presumably source water from a focused area. What are the conditions like at the site of the factory? Can that site accommodate that intake? Is 0.5m the final scale of the factory? Maybe it's not a big deal, maybe it is, but you can't use wide geographic generalizations like this to dismiss the concern.
That is all covered by the environmental report, as it should be: http://www.michigan.gov/documents/deq/deq-dwmad-eh-swpu-Fina... 4) The supply potential of the water source, considering quantity, quality, and reliability and safe yield of hydrologically interconnected water sources; Application materials, extensive evaluation and consideration by staff, along with experience with the aquifer in the area, lead staff…
People are angry because of the disaster that was Flint. When government officials refuse to answer for large-scale disasters, people resort to other outlets and places to direct their anger. People are angry because they see corporations swooping in to bottle and sell more water in the same state where those people are suffering due to greed and failure.
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Nope, they are pumping from the "White Pine Springs well". The aquifer likely refills at a much slower rate than the flow of the Muskegon River
> The aquifer likely refills at a much slower rate than the flow of the Muskegon River No, most likely it does not . The watershed and the associated aquifer are where the river water comes from . As to "what that assertion is based on", that would be "knowledge of how the hydrologic cycle works ".
Who on earth would take time out of their day to write a comment about bottling water, unless they were deeply opposed to it?
Flint resident here. The whole state of Michigan is a little sore about water right now.
The Muskegon River (the main drainage for the area) has a discharge of 1,450 cubic feet per second at Evart, Michigan (where this facility is located). That is about 11,000 gallons per second, or about 937 million gallons per day. The facility proposes to pump about half a millon gallons per day. Tempest, meet teapot. https://waterdata.usgs.gov/mi/nwis/current/?type=flow
I don't know the particulars in this case but is Nestlé going to pay proper amount for this water? If the public doesn't want the plant then shouldn't their desires carry some weight? Especially since it doesn't appear that Nestlé would be providing a service in the interests of society at large. Overall there is a growing sense in the U.S. that public assets are being sold off at below market rates. That corporate i…
This is just a permit to draw water from a well, not a municipal drinking water supply. I suspect that (other than the permit fee) they aren't paying anything for the water. (I had a look at the permit & didn't see anything there about payments).
You’ll read a lot of comments on this, both good and bad. A lot of passionate arguments have been made on both sides. I have two things to add to it—and feel free to take them as you will. People I know in the area with wells had them go dry after the nestle plant opened. These were wells that had previously been high (for wells) throughout, just drying up. The plant also got special tax rebates and other incentives…
That (if true) is a legitimate complaint and Nestle should make them whole.
Edit: as someone else noted, this is less than one swimming pool's worth of water per day. If wells are going dry because of that, they were marginal at best.