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Brain-stimulation trials get personal to lift depression

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This is interesting. On a recent Kevin Rose podcast he and his guest talked about targeted treatment for ADHD, dementia, etc. using video games. At one point they also discussed people using self-built gadgets to stimulate their own brain using electric current ( they do not recommend it though ). https://www.kevinrose.com/single-post/Adam-Gazzaley As an aside, I've found meditation to be very helpful in treating my…

Would love to be able to meditate. My brain just goes all over the place and it feels like I'm wasting my time.

It definitely felt like that for me as well in the beginning but sticking with it helped me get better at it :)

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A few years ago while working on my undergrad I helped proctor a study involving a similar technology--transcranial direct current stimulation (tDCS)--and it's impact on working memory. Although neither the tech nor the desired outcome in OP's article is identical to my undergrad project, the researchers are likely facing similar challenges which seem universal for low-current brain stimulation experiments: - Effects…

When I was doing research with TMS the problem we were trying to solve was focusing the magnetic field to a small point in order to target specific areas of the brain instead of stimulating a larger area. There was a lot of research being done to do this, but that seemed to be the biggest technological hurdle to the technology in addition to what you noted.

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This is interesting. On a recent Kevin Rose podcast he and his guest talked about targeted treatment for ADHD, dementia, etc. using video games. At one point they also discussed people using self-built gadgets to stimulate their own brain using electric current ( they do not recommend it though ). https://www.kevinrose.com/single-post/Adam-Gazzaley As an aside, I've found meditation to be very helpful in treating my…

Would love to be able to meditate. My brain just goes all over the place and it feels like I'm wasting my time.

For mindful meditation, that's not necessarily a bad thing... just focus on catching the thoughts and letting them go. I have a highly productive ADD so a voice recorder really helped with this step (record the idea to clear my mind). It can be helpful to start mindful meditation by listening to music or looking at a mostly static scene (nature, city, picture, whatever - no TV).

From there, maybe experiment with silent meditation. I got there by focusing on successively simple stimuli (city -> picture -> mental picture -> simple shapes -> dot -> nothing).

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I once saw a presentation at a BCI conference about using DBS to treat depression. They basically installed a 'happy button' in someone's brain, and it worked.

On the one hand, it's sort of scary. On the other hand, what are you supposed to do when nothing, not art nor work nor drugs nor thought, does anything to ameliorate the pain?

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This is interesting. On a recent Kevin Rose podcast he and his guest talked about targeted treatment for ADHD, dementia, etc. using video games. At one point they also discussed people using self-built gadgets to stimulate their own brain using electric current ( they do not recommend it though ). https://www.kevinrose.com/single-post/Adam-Gazzaley As an aside, I've found meditation to be very helpful in treating my…

Would love to be able to meditate. My brain just goes all over the place and it feels like I'm wasting my time.

I would highly recommend a guided meditation app such as https://www.headspace.com/

Best decision I've made this year

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the depression industry is a for-profit industry based on bullying it is quite sick

My father had DBS implants to attempt to address Essential Tremor symptoms. This works for some people. It did not for him. I would hate to see a depression-related tuning phase similar to what was required before they realized the implants couldn't improve the shakiness in his hands.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would love to be able to meditate. My brain just goes all over the place and it feels like I'm wasting my time.

I would highly recommend a guided meditation app such as https://www.headspace.com/ Best decision I've made this year

Insight Timer is also nice, and free.

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I once saw a presentation at a BCI conference about using DBS to treat depression. They basically installed a 'happy button' in someone's brain, and it worked. On the one hand, it's sort of scary. On the other hand, what are you supposed to do when nothing, not art nor work nor drugs nor thought, does anything to ameliorate the pain?

> On the one hand, it's sort of scary.

I can see both sides of this, at once, like I'm looking at an ambiguous image: duck, or rabbit?

On one hand, it's absurd: "Electrochemical system is changed by electricity! Shocker! Be afeared'n'affrighted!" The brain is a physical system, your personality is a result of the behavior of that system, so changing the physical system is going to change the personality. It's a more controlled version of Phineas Gage and the railroad spike.

(Plus, dirty little secret: Electroconvulsive therapy works. It has nasty side-effects, but it makes depression go away rather quickly. So the basic idea of chasing away mental problems by shocking brain tissue is not new, despite a decades-long effort on the part of artists to make people think ECT is simply meaningless torture.)

On the other hand, I can see how this would be challenging to someone who finds emotional states deeply meaningful, especially if they (as most people who look for "meaningful emotional states" seem to) find sad states more meaningful than happy ones.

It's the myth of the happy pill, by which I mean the myth that depression is this wonderful, meaningful Long, Dark Night Of The Soul and that taking something to fight it is "making you feel better" in a coercive sense, and depriving you of that meaning, and, possibly, preventing you from getting to the root of the problem, which must needs be done through talk therapy.

My conclusion is this: Emotions in and of themselves aren't meaningful, treating symptoms doesn't mean you can't also look for root causes, and, sometimes, an organic dysfunction is the root cause, as opposed to something you can talk out.

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I once saw a presentation at a BCI conference about using DBS to treat depression. They basically installed a 'happy button' in someone's brain, and it worked. On the one hand, it's sort of scary. On the other hand, what are you supposed to do when nothing, not art nor work nor drugs nor thought, does anything to ameliorate the pain?

> On the one hand, it's sort of scary. I can see both sides of this, at once, like I'm looking at an ambiguous image: duck, or rabbit? On one hand, it's absurd: "Electrochemical system is changed by electricity! Shocker! Be afeared'n'affrighted!" The brain is a physical system, your personality is a result of the behavior of that system, so changing the physical system is going to change the personality. It's a more…

Even if the root of someone's depression were something that could be talked out, what depressed person wouldn't want to work that out while not depressed?

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This is interesting. On a recent Kevin Rose podcast he and his guest talked about targeted treatment for ADHD, dementia, etc. using video games. At one point they also discussed people using self-built gadgets to stimulate their own brain using electric current ( they do not recommend it though ). https://www.kevinrose.com/single-post/Adam-Gazzaley As an aside, I've found meditation to be very helpful in treating my…

Would love to be able to meditate. My brain just goes all over the place and it feels like I'm wasting my time.

That's kind of what it is when you start. It's like working a muscle, you have to start with really light weights or you just get exhausted and discouraged. Like, start with a timer set for two minutes and work your way up one minute at a time.
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