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Re: Robinhood replaced “call” and “put” with “up” and “down”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the thread they say Robinhood doesn’t allow selling calls if you don’t hav the shares already.

Sure, that makes sense, but i asked about buying calls and not having cash to settle the transaction at expiry.

Unless I'm misunderstanding the question, in this case you would not exercise your option and just be out the cost of the contract.

Edit: Turns out I did sort of misunderstand. The question has been answered.

Re: Robinhood replaced “call” and “put” with “up” and “down”

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What's wrong with removing the jargon from stock trading?

> What's wrong with removing the jargon from stock trading? Because you're removing all specificity from it at the same time. If you show me that screenshot without the text in the tweet, I'd have no idea what action it actually refers to. It could mean you're buying or selling an option. Or it could mean you're buying or selling a stock (potentially short selling). It could even mean you're buying stock on margin. I…

I thought when you were approved for option trading you had to read and at least claim you understood "the Characteristics & Risks of Standardized Options". I didn't even know it was legal to simplify things to this extent.

Re: Robinhood replaced “call” and “put” with “up” and “down”

#13
As if we needed another reminder that Wall Street is a casino underwritten by the taxpayers. A welfare program run by the Fed for the rich. A market for fools, not a necessary institution to capitalize business.

I guess it's better than trading slaves.

Re: Robinhood replaced “call” and “put” with “up” and “down”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, that makes sense, but i asked about buying calls and not having cash to settle the transaction at expiry.

According to Robinhood, "If you don’t have enough buying power to exercise your option, we’ll sell the contract in the market for you about 1 hour before it expires." https://support.robinhood.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005656423...

That seems scary to me, because even if it normally works, if it fails, it's presumably not something customer service can "make ok" especially because they aren't charging you commissions and you are, as they say, the product not the customer.

At this point, customer service of the major discount broker I've used for many years is so abysmal that the last thing I want is a free alternative that promises to do more for me. It makes me think of how impossible it is to deal with Google when something goes wrong with their free offerings.

I think social media has become a societal problem because there is so much revenue available from exploiting addictive behavior, and the logic has to lead to brokers trying to catch up. If you are sensible with investing, the system doesn't need or want you.

Re: Robinhood replaced “call” and “put” with “up” and “down”

#15
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the thread they say Robinhood doesn’t allow selling calls if you don’t hav the shares already.

Sure, that makes sense, but i asked about buying calls and not having cash to settle the transaction at expiry.

Sell your contract. You don't need to exercise a call option you purchased unless you want to.

Re: Robinhood replaced “call” and “put” with “up” and “down”

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post #4

What's wrong with removing the jargon from stock trading?

The trouble is that Robinhood has a very low barrier of entry and now you have laymen who, if they don't understand basic finance terms, likely do not understand the fundamentals of trading options.

Like the javascript in the programming field? Go figure.

Re: Robinhood replaced “call” and “put” with “up” and “down”

#17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What's wrong with removing the jargon from stock trading? Because you're removing all specificity from it at the same time. If you show me that screenshot without the text in the tweet, I'd have no idea what action it actually refers to. It could mean you're buying or selling an option. Or it could mean you're buying or selling a stock (potentially short selling). It could even mean you're buying stock on margin. I…

I thought when you were approved for option trading you had to read and at least claim you understood "the Characteristics & Risks of Standardized Options". I didn't even know it was legal to simplify things to this extent.

I looked at the Robin Hood link posted elsewhere in this thread, and it links to "the Characteristics & Risks of Standardized Options" but it presents it as optional.

Elsewhere[1] it is stated "Prior to buying or selling an option, investors must read a copy" (emphasis mine).

Of course, after reading it you should be sure you understand it, but that's probably hopeless...

[1]https://www.theocc.com/about/publications/character-risks.js...

Re: Robinhood replaced “call” and “put” with “up” and “down”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trouble is that Robinhood has a very low barrier of entry and now you have laymen who, if they don't understand basic finance terms, likely do not understand the fundamentals of trading options.

Like the javascript in the programming field? Go figure.

If you want to write programs without really having a clue, that's fine and educational for most purposes, just not if you're hacking your personal vehicle, pacemaker, or nuclear reactor.
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