So, nothing to do with a “boyfriend.” She didn’t even know the people she shot. Where on earth did that bad information come from yesterday?
Sexist assumptions, I'm sure. Male shooter? Bullied 4chan gamer nerd. Female shooter? Relationship problems. Middle-eastern looking male shooter? Terrorist.
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#412This looks like it's going to be an increasingly big problem for the platform giants, as it pertains to their increasingly aggressive speech restrictions. As they ramp those restrictions up, I'd expect the need for security to increase accordingly. A mentally unwell person is likely to feel targeted, oppressed, threatened, harmed, etc. by being silenced. They'll feel isolated and it'll very likely feel like a persona…
The problem isn't the mentally ill person. The problem is building a platform so practically anyone can be heard.
That's not a problem. Freedom of speech is never the problem, nor is a platform that practically anyone can publish on a problem.
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#413Earlier quoted context omitted.
When you read "Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution" by Stephen Levy, you can just feel how excited they all were about bringing people together. Maybe that was just Levy's twist on it, but it's feeling tragic to me right now.
Adam Curtis takes a chunk out of that excitement as part of his All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace series. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Watched_Over_by_Machines_o...
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#414This woman who talked about free speech and then committed this crime against YouTube has seriously set back the arguments people were making for Free Speech on Social Media.
I have given this a lot of thought in past couple of years.
Current situation:
A) A video could get demonetized because of following reasons:
1. An advertiser complained about it. 2. A user complained about it. 3. The system/AI flagged it inappropriate. 4. A human auditor found it inappropriate.
B) Media companies (print/television/online news & press) have targeted ad-tec companies like YouTube, Facebook and others. These companies have a new way to wage war against YouTube/Facebook: drum up "ads shown on objectionable content".
C) Groups with agenda trying to silence opposing viewpoints have a way to do so by reporting content as inappropriate.
D) Truly illegal, criminal content
E) Lack of powerful parental controls on content and on ads
Problem with current situation:
1. An advertiser finding a video objectionable for their ad doesn't mean every advertiser will find the content objectionable. E.g. an insurance company may not want to advertise on a video that glorifies extreme jumping over walls, building, but a helmet company or an action cam company would find it attractive market to advertise. When youtube demonetizes a video, it's demonetized period.
2. It is ridiculously easy to stop speech on social media by abusing the inappropriate content flag. Groups with agenda that have decent enough membership can run a very effective silencing campaign on social media by abusing the report-content button. Someone doesn't like some legal content, doesn't mean that they are allowed to take out that content from anyone else viewing it.
3. YouTube or Facebook doesn't have or offer a way fight the "ads shown on objectionable content" attacks. This is especially confusing given these are the tech giants we are talking about with the might of all the technology and AI powers they wield.
4. No human recourse for the content creator to plead their case.
5. Demonetizing political commentary is astonishing, given how much advertising CNN, MSNBC, Fox, and political print media gets.
6. Would it be OK if Conoco gas station stopped hybrid cars from refueling? Would it be OK if Conoco said why doesn't the hybrid car owner start her own oil well and oil refinery? Why is is acceptable for Google to delete accounts with thousands of subscribers? What if you had a Conoco points cards with hundreds of dollars on it? Isn't that equivalent to your channels membership that YouTube yanks away from you?
Solution:
1. Allow advertisers to select channels to advertise on. Advertisers opt-in to select channels.
2. Allow advertisers to select channels to specifically not advertise on. Advertisers opt-out of select channels.
3. Protect creators from harassment by targeted campaigns ran by people trying to de-platform or silence them. Embrace bubbles, let people opt out of certain tags e.g. if a user says I don't like meat preparation videos, then don't show it to them. But don't make it easy for people who don't like meat products to deplatform those who do. Fully embrace bubbles, let people know that they are in the bubbles of their chioce, enforce those bubbles and when people are ready to peek outside into another bubble that they get curious about, let them.
4. Apple can put people in front of their customers to serve them. Facebook/Google make enough money to have a customer facing team for their content creators. They have invested into hiring auditors but there is no recourse for creators. Channel being banned after having thousands of subscribers is akin to paypal locking your account with thousands of dollars in it.
5. Removing content should depend on legality (law of the land) of the content alone. Removal of account must be because of a lawful request from authorities.
6. "Demonetization" can't be blanket. Each advertiser is unique. One advertisers not liking content doesn't make it inappropriate for all advertisers. Protect creators from activist advertisers.
7. These are tech giants that we are talking about with the might of engineering and AI with them. Letting advertisers opt-in/opt-out of channels should be possible for them. The fact that they haven't done so insinuates that they like the power they wield by removing content they themselves don't like for whatever (monetary/ideological) reasons. They need to prove that they are can be trusted with this power. Conoco shouldn't be allowed to reject gas to a lawyer who is on her way to a courthouse for an EPA trial, Google shouldn't be allowed to remove accounts that it doesn't like, especially without recourse. A regulatory framework may be needed, as Zukerberg conceded recently.
8. Allow parents to whitelist channels for kids. Show videos to kids only after 1000+ views from parents who use parental controls. Allow parents to restrict the videos kids can see where parents set the video playlist and kids can pick only from that playlist. Parents can subscribe to a trusted playlist for kids e.g. from NPR or NASA or their local school, activity group or church. Absence of these tools shows YouTube willing to run videos on autoplay to maximize ads without much regards for age-appropriate parent-controlled safe video experience for kids. A parent should be able to say I don't want to see ads for Disney Cruise as they can't afford it.
9. Subscriber portability just like phone number portability from carrier to carrier. A content creator should be able to take his subscribers with her to a different service. The social network should show forwarding address to the subscribers when content creator leaves a platform for another. Bring real competition for social platforms.
Disclaimer: I pay for YouTube Red, I like the ad-free experience and am glad that the option exists where I can buy that experience. I don't make, never have, any money based on the social media ad platforms. I am a consumer of content, not a creator. As a paying consumer of content, I do want complete freedom in my ability to see any legal content that others have created without an arbitrary filter of policy/guideline/appropriateness that has no basis in law of the land. I should have the ability to apply the filters if I choose to do so, just like marketplace of ideas there should be a marketplace for filters (whitelist/blacklist).
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#415The amount of victim blaming in these comments is astounding. Three people are in the hospital because of an armed maniac, and a bunch of the comments are about how YouTube brought this on themselves with their policies about videos. I’m not religious, but y’all need Jesus.
YouTube is not a victim. Discussing questionable corporate policies of a company is not victim blaming.
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#416Earlier quoted context omitted.
This literally never happens, and you are completely wrong. I would explain how totally wrong your are more... but I don't have enough time in my day to make the full commitment this comment should require. I would have more time in my day if I was better organized, or kept my tasks in a program like Asana. But alas, I haven't even signed up for the free trial, because i have so little time. If I actually had Asana ,…
HN seems to discourage jokes, although I don't see it explicitly in the guidelines. Jokes in the context of people dying probably are even less well-received.
My lack of social awareness/empathy strikes again!
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#417The amount of victim blaming in these comments is astounding. Three people are in the hospital because of an armed maniac, and a bunch of the comments are about how YouTube brought this on themselves with their policies about videos. I’m not religious, but y’all need Jesus.
The people who were shot are the victims, no one blames them or suggests they did wrong. YouTube is not a victim. Discussing questionable corporate policies of a company is not victim blaming.
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#418If you search her name on twitter, around 40% of what you see is right wing conspiracy theorists who assert, without evidence, that she was a member of ISIS. I also noticed a smaller percentage of people asserting, again without evidence, that she was an NRA member. And neither appear to be true. How do these get spread on Twitter? Are partisans mindlessly voting them up? Are bots behind this? Man, do I feel stupid f…
I took special note of this because there is this meme of conservatives applying the "terrorist" label on the basis of race or ethnicity, and this meme has scarcely matched my experiences.
EDIT: Some people are downvoting, presumably because they think I'm making a political statement. I'm not; just sharing my data points.
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#419Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sexist assumptions, I'm sure. Male shooter? Bullied 4chan gamer nerd. Female shooter? Relationship problems. Middle-eastern looking male shooter? Terrorist.
And the fact that there are so few examples of women who commit multiple homicide where they don't target domestic partners, friends, families, coworkers, etc. Genuinely, the only known instance I've read of in the US was the San Bernadino shooter, and she was pretty clearly religiously motivated.
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#420Earlier quoted context omitted.
The people who were shot are the victims, no one blames them or suggests they did wrong. YouTube is not a victim. Discussing questionable corporate policies of a company is not victim blaming.
I completely disagree. YouTube is a victim too. Using an incident like this to criticize a policy you don’t like is completely beyond the pale. The fact that they apparently drove a crazy person to attempted homicide has no bearing whatsoever on whether those policies are good or bad.