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Suspect in YouTube Shooting Posted Rants About the Company Online

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Post by jlarocco »

adventured wrote: post #3

This looks like it's going to be an increasingly big problem for the platform giants, as it pertains to their increasingly aggressive speech restrictions. As they ramp those restrictions up, I'd expect the need for security to increase accordingly. A mentally unwell person is likely to feel targeted, oppressed, threatened, harmed, etc. by being silenced. They'll feel isolated and it'll very likely feel like a persona…

It certainly doesn't help that Google's customer support is so terrible. There have been several articles posted here about well known people having to use their high level Google connections or "go viral" just to make Google pay any attention.

Combine mental illness with that feeling of helplessness, and it's not going to end well.

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Post by AlexCoventry »

MertsA wrote: post #318
grizzles wrote: post #23

She's a disgruntled Youtuber. This is her website: http://nasimabc.com/ From her page showing a screenshot of her Youtube ad revenue dashboard: > Analytics Last 28 days > Views 366,591 > Revenue $0.10 Highlighted in Red: Revenue $0.10? There's also another bit where she shows her historical vs. current traffic and makes a reasonable case that she's getting down ranked. Interesting times.

There's some rather telling content on that site about her mental state. http://nasimabc.com/sitebuilder/images/car_attack_nasim2-426... She feels paranoid like everyone is out to get her and it probably didn't help that when YouTube "attacked" her online, it was direct, unambiguous, attributable to a distinct entity (to her at least), etc. When she ran over some debris in the road she came to the conclusion that ant…

On the one hand it surprises me that a screw could accidentally get pushed into a wheel at that angle. On the other, it would be a really ineffective attack.

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Post by ssaew333 »

nvahalik wrote: post #382
ssaew333 wrote: post #338

If you search her name on twitter, around 40% of what you see is right wing conspiracy theorists who assert, without evidence, that she was a member of ISIS. I also noticed a smaller percentage of people asserting, again without evidence, that she was an NRA member. And neither appear to be true. How do these get spread on Twitter? Are partisans mindlessly voting them up? Are bots behind this? Man, do I feel stupid f…

> Man, do I feel stupid for thinking the internet would be a force for good. That it would promote democracy, free speech, and critical thinking. The internet is a tool and like any tool, it can be used for both good and evil. It depends on the people using it. In fact, the internet is arguably a victim of it's own success. It has democratized thought so well such that people whose ideas are morally depraved have the…

>It has democratized thought so well such that people whose ideas are morally depraved have the same ability to reach an audience that those whose ideas are praiseworthy are.

I don't think a majority of people hold these views. What we're doing is amplifying vocal minorities and drowning out everyone else.

Granted, no communication mass platform is going to accurately reflect the public. That's why we hold media especially accountable for spreading falsehoods. We haven't seen that sort of criticism of Social Media, however, until very recently. Twitter, Facebook, etc make editorial decisions to make some content more visible than others, and they chose to reward this kind of crap. But because they outsource their decisions to an algorithm, we have treated them less like television channels and more like telephone companies (dumb pipes).

> You can choose to use your skills for good by doing things that are beneficial. You can work for a non-profit, a church, a community to connect, build-up, and support people.

I strongly agree. And tech skills aren't even necessary. Try to get involved with local politics, volunteer, give money to good causes, and help your neighbors and friends in need. It's the antidote to the division and loneliness in our world.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Posted Rants About the Company Online

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Post by Karunamon »

maldusiecle wrote: post #388
Karunamon wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think mental illness is automatically implied when you go on a shooting spree for a video sharing site's monetization policies.

People doing things that you consider irrational is not automatically "mental illness." To conflate the two is both to absolve criminals and terrorists of moral responsibility and to stigmatize the mentally ill, most of whom are not homicidal. Unless you have specific evidence of a particular mental illness, this kind of statement is irresponsible.

I'm not sure the relativism is called for here, given the specific context of this case.

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Post by ricochet310 »

adventured wrote: post #3

This looks like it's going to be an increasingly big problem for the platform giants, as it pertains to their increasingly aggressive speech restrictions. As they ramp those restrictions up, I'd expect the need for security to increase accordingly. A mentally unwell person is likely to feel targeted, oppressed, threatened, harmed, etc. by being silenced. They'll feel isolated and it'll very likely feel like a persona…

The problem isn't the mentally ill person. The problem is building a platform so practically anyone can be heard.

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Post by transreal »

coralreef wrote: post #86
ravenstine wrote: post #53

It turns out that when an organization applies rules arbitrarily, they eventually piss off the wrong person.

Generally when you have any rules at all, you piss off people. Can't make everyone happy.

Not justifying what she did, but YouTube's rules are non-transparent.

The rules need to be published, and if there is room for doubt in them (which there always is), there needs to be a process to raise grievances.

From what I've read other places, there is no one to talk to if you disagree with what YouTube has done, and they don't even tell you why.

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Post by arbitrage »

AlexCoventry wrote: post #402
MertsA wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's some rather telling content on that site about her mental state. http://nasimabc.com/sitebuilder/images/car_attack_nasim2-426... She feels paranoid like everyone is out to get her and it probably didn't help that when YouTube "attacked" her online, it was direct, unambiguous, attributable to a distinct entity (to her at least), etc. When she ran over some debris in the road she came to the conclusion that ant…

On the one hand it surprises me that a screw could accidentally get pushed into a wheel at that angle. On the other, it would be a really ineffective attack.

At high velocities, road debris can do interesting things.

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Post by Faark »

MBCook wrote: post #356
koheripbal wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She didn't think she was being specifically targeted. In one of her rants she specifically stated that she knew of many other content creators having their videos censored, age restricted, and demonetized. Her methods are nuts, obviously, but her beef with Youtube is entirely justified. The end result, unfortunately, isn't going to be Google/Amazon/Facebook/etc... realizing the error of their ways - it's going to be…

I don’t agree that will happen, but it may be good if it does. It’s about time many of these companies start to realize their decisions have very real consequences on people’s lives (in who makes money/a living and who doesn’t, harassment levels) and their seemingly capricious decisions and rule changes are very problematic. They’re not the small semi-isolated bubbles they used to be, they’re powerful entities that h…

Yeah, they should probably have censored way earlier to prevent that. They now have to go through with getting rid of the radicals they raised. Or re-open the floodgates, accept even more radicalization and thus even more painful consequences later down the line. Just like most problems, ignoring them rarely makes them go away and you instead loose you most pleasant remaining ways out.

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Post by interfixus »

interfixus wrote: post #79
dang wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's sitting in the top 10 on the front page.

Yes, status was drastically changed when I refreshed. Someone supposedly vouched.

So, let me hear it from the numerous downvoters: Are you suggesting I'm lying?

Downvoting of simple fact-reporting is slightly too advanced a pattern for my somewhat simple mind.

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Post by macintux »

ghostbrainalpha wrote: post #379
petercooper wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't think of any good examples since people usually get away with it, Well, that's the thing. I can think of a good few respected tech sites that run "sponsored" articles that are disclosed in the smallest text possible and basically look like normal content. Not that I'm going to start industry beef by pointing them out :-D

This literally never happens, and you are completely wrong. I would explain how totally wrong your are more... but I don't have enough time in my day to make the full commitment this comment should require. I would have more time in my day if I was better organized, or kept my tasks in a program like Asana. But alas, I haven't even signed up for the free trial, because i have so little time. If I actually had Asana ,…

HN seems to discourage jokes, although I don't see it explicitly in the guidelines. Jokes in the context of people dying probably are even less well-received.
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