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Post by lolc »

classicsnoot wrote: post #380
ssaew333 wrote: post #338

If you search her name on twitter, around 40% of what you see is right wing conspiracy theorists who assert, without evidence, that she was a member of ISIS. I also noticed a smaller percentage of people asserting, again without evidence, that she was an NRA member. And neither appear to be true. How do these get spread on Twitter? Are partisans mindlessly voting them up? Are bots behind this? Man, do I feel stupid f…

I know this may seem like a silly response, but i mean it in all earnestness: Democracy may not be a basically "good thing." I know this flies in the face of a ton of social programming, but at some point we have to take the evidence as it comes to us, and if it is consistently pointing to something we did not expect or like, we can only re-jigger the pretext so many times before we have to confront the fact that may…

Given how widely the definitions for "Democracy" diverge, it must be taken as given that some of those definitions will not be "good" for some people.

As a frequent point of contention: Is vote-by-majority democratic?

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Post by ssaew333 »

classicsnoot wrote: post #380
ssaew333 wrote: post #338

If you search her name on twitter, around 40% of what you see is right wing conspiracy theorists who assert, without evidence, that she was a member of ISIS. I also noticed a smaller percentage of people asserting, again without evidence, that she was an NRA member. And neither appear to be true. How do these get spread on Twitter? Are partisans mindlessly voting them up? Are bots behind this? Man, do I feel stupid f…

I know this may seem like a silly response, but i mean it in all earnestness: Democracy may not be a basically "good thing." I know this flies in the face of a ton of social programming, but at some point we have to take the evidence as it comes to us, and if it is consistently pointing to something we did not expect or like, we can only re-jigger the pretext so many times before we have to confront the fact that may…

Or, democracy and mob rule are not the same thing. And the internet (in it's current form) is better at promoting mob rule.

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Post by celdon25 »

naasking wrote: post #293
pjc50 wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your speech causes enough problems? Yes. Remember Kevin Mitnick was banned from using computers at all, and I think was banned from the phone system for a while too?

> Remember Kevin Mitnick was banned from using computers at all, and I think was banned from the phone system for a while too? Remember how Kevin Mitnick had a trial with transparency and formal procedures to prevent abuse of authority?

It didn't prevent the abuse, even though it exposed it.

"Dubbed the "most dangerous hacker in the world," Mitnick was put in solitary confinement and prevented from using a phone after law enforcement officials convinced a judge that he had the ability to start a nuclear war by whistling into a pay phone, he said." https://www.cnet.com/news/social-engineering-101-mitnick-and...

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Post by ghostbrainalpha »

jimmies wrote: post #310
NicoJuicy wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except if the views are bots, copyright infringement or a wrong niche ( violence)

But were them though? I don't see reasons for the views in her videos indicating those problems.

Many Youtuber's pay for a package of Bots to watch their videos.

You can get 1 million views for less than 10 dollars. It used to be a great way to cheat Youtube and Advertisers, but they have gotten better and better at catching it. My guess is that she probably did this.

You can still get away with it big time, if the bots are not the majority of your traffic. If you just use them to get to sort of prime the pump. ESPECIALLY if you don't have ads enabled on the video. Then Youtube doesn't care AT ALL. Then you just use your massive view count to approach a real advertiser directly.

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Post by eurticket »

aoeusnth1 wrote: post #377
Wingwing wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't remember reading that in the DSM. You perpetuate this problem when you trivialize their concerns in this way.

If wanton violence against random employees of a company is a rational response in your mind to ad policies, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe get some help.

While I agree with you, I think Wing is trying to say equating Mental Illness And bad, immoral, unjustified behavior isn't correct.

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Post by ssaew333 »

ghostbrainalpha wrote: post #370
ssaew333 wrote: post #338

If you search her name on twitter, around 40% of what you see is right wing conspiracy theorists who assert, without evidence, that she was a member of ISIS. I also noticed a smaller percentage of people asserting, again without evidence, that she was an NRA member. And neither appear to be true. How do these get spread on Twitter? Are partisans mindlessly voting them up? Are bots behind this? Man, do I feel stupid f…

I just searched her name on Twitter, and I didn't see a single reference in the first 50 posts to ISIS, or the NRA. So 0% for me. Maybe it's just your feed? I searched by her real name AND her instagram name. I did see a lot of weird things praising her, saying RIP, which I totally don't understand. Twitter is such a weird gross place. And some rather excellent yoga almost pornography, that might be her. It seems lik…

My search was on search.twitter.com I don't have a twitter account

The results have been changing. The newer you go, the more you see "radical vegan" and the less you see "jihad." That's... .encouraging.

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Post by digi_owl »

VikingCoder wrote: post #348
ssaew333 wrote: post #338

If you search her name on twitter, around 40% of what you see is right wing conspiracy theorists who assert, without evidence, that she was a member of ISIS. I also noticed a smaller percentage of people asserting, again without evidence, that she was an NRA member. And neither appear to be true. How do these get spread on Twitter? Are partisans mindlessly voting them up? Are bots behind this? Man, do I feel stupid f…

When you read "Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution" by Stephen Levy, you can just feel how excited they all were about bringing people together. Maybe that was just Levy's twist on it, but it's feeling tragic to me right now.

Adam Curtis takes a chunk out of that excitement as part of his All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace series.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Watched_Over_by_Machines_o...

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Post by psyc »

cporios wrote: post #260
adventured wrote: post #3

This looks like it's going to be an increasingly big problem for the platform giants, as it pertains to their increasingly aggressive speech restrictions. As they ramp those restrictions up, I'd expect the need for security to increase accordingly. A mentally unwell person is likely to feel targeted, oppressed, threatened, harmed, etc. by being silenced. They'll feel isolated and it'll very likely feel like a persona…

As far as I know, her videos were demonetized, not rejected. There's a huge difference between being silenced and being refused ad placement on your videos. Getting paid to express your opinion is not a human right.

I don't believe it's a human right. I believe it hurts to be demonetized. I believe it is enraging to the creators to be demonetized for making content that doesn't have good optics from YouTube's own self-serving point of view.

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Post by womperGompers »

subcosmos wrote: post #195
sneak wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Really sad when employees in the bay area, which is generally very safe, have to fear for their lives because of something their employer may have done to piss someone off. It would be if that were true, but it isn’t. Even if there were an order of magnitude more attacks along these lines it would not warrant anyone having to fear for their life as they would still be exceedingly rare.

But some people do fear for their life, because this kind of shit has happened to them before.

And, so, you're proposing a civilized society where such a thing should be accounted for, and every specific, nuanced experience should be catered to, no matter how personal?
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