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Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by Mithaldu »

GiorgioG wrote: post #21
mschuster91 wrote: post #6

I don't sympathize with shooting up a company's headquarters at all, but I feel that this could have been avoided by forcing Youtube (and, for that matter, all other social networks!) to have a way to reach an actual human support. In the end, this is one of the "externalities" that get forced upon society when the big companies decide to cut corners on support. Some will... take matters into their own hands. Be it b…

It isn't so much that companies decide to cut corners on support, it's that at companies that operate at this scale (YT, FB, Twitter, etc ) the individual content-creator is a drop in the ocean. When she was de-monetized, it may have meant the world to her, but in YT's perspective it's not worth the time/effort to even have a conversation about it (say beforehand.)

Well, they made an economic tradeoff, and now people have been injured. As the famous comic says: "But for a beautiful moment in time we created a lot of value for shareholders.”

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by Klinky »

ensignro2340 wrote: post #321
Klinky wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As we slide more and more towards a "gig economy", not only can we underpay people, but we can also tell them they don't even have a "real job". Someone producing content for YouTube or driving for Lyft is a beggar? Get real.

Lyft drivers are independent contractors. In my opinion they (and Favor deliverers, etc.) should be categorized as employees instead and should receive benefits. Uploading content to YouTube is not the same thing. I'm not meaning to say anyone's a beggar. But YouTubers just don't have an employer-employee relationship with YouTube. That's just a fact. This woman was not a YouTube employee, the people she targeted wer…

I am not sure what the employment status of the attacker or the victims has to do with your post, other than being a dig at the "obviously stupid people who think they can make money on Youtube". Let's also call out all the obviously stupid people who think they can make money from a startup.

There are many popular creators on YouTube earning an honest full-time living from the YouTube platform, some even have more lucrative relationships with YouTube(e.g. Slo Mo Guys, Vsauce). It's hyperbole to compare them to beggars on the street. Is that income absolutely secure? No, but that seems to kinda be the trend we're heading towards, where fewer jobs provide income security. Should YouTube be more open and transparent about demonetizing content? Yes, especially considering their effective monopoly on the indie video-on-demand scene, and parent Google's effective monopoly on internet ads.

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Post by nailer »

humanrebar wrote: post #68
Klathmon wrote: post #15

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This is absolutely a "no-win" situation in my mind. Everyone is acting in their best interests, and in many cases are acting benevolently, but the outcome is still awful. Obviously YouTube is going to cave to advertiser pressure and start to restrict what videos can have ads, their whole existence depends on it, and if I worked at YouTube i'd see demonetizing some videos as a welcome alternative to closing the whole…

> This is absolutely a "no-win" situation in my mind. We'll, people can just understand the algorithms are flawed and not blame the advertisers for having an ad for toilet paper next to an video of someone TPing a house.

Discussed this in the other thread, but there's nothing stopping YouTube from doing a video tagging system and making creators tag their works.

Softly (the toilet paper brand) simply deselects 'pranks' as a tag to advertise on.

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Post by jacquesm »

Mithaldu wrote: post #330
jacquesm wrote: post #270

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> Are you seriously framing the discussion as "people who think ill of Youtube's monetization scheme are shooter apologists"? No, but there are such 'shooter apologists' in this thread. Read the whole of it, at least one person writes that they feel that it was only a matter of time before someone brought a gun to a dispute like this.

That is not apologism, that's realpolitik. It doesn't mean the deed is acceptable, but that people in power should've anticipated it.

I don't think 'entitled people will come and shoot at our employees' is something that any normal business should have to plan for.

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Post by INTPenis »

post_break wrote: post #203
INTPenis wrote: post #103

Americans in the comment section are reacting about this woman being a disgruntled user, angry about perceived discrimination from Youtube, down on her luck, suicidal. Me, a european, I'm reacting to how easily she found a gun. I hate to bring up this very toxic debate, my comment will seem like fishing for trouble. Yet you have to understand our perspective. Not every lunatic where I live can find a gun when they ne…

If it wasn't a gun it could have been a knife. Or like the epidemic over seas, a bunch of acid thrown on peoples faces. We don't know how she got the gun, but in America, if you have no criminal background, haven't done anything crazy, and they do a background check, you can purchase a weapon. You can't ban crazy, and until we have some way of seeing into the future, you can't stop all crimes. Also, our gun ownership…

I can't comment on the acid attacks, I doubt they're common.

But the knife vs gun argument is also very clear cut to me. It takes very little effort or training to point a barrel and pull a trigger from across several meters or a courtyard.

While a knife is actually not so easy to get into an expecting person. The knife would be most effective against unsuspecting persons but once a struggle breaks out it's down to physical strength and training.

The knife vs gun thing hits close to home too because one of the very few school rampages performed here by an unbalanced student was actually performed with a sword because that's the only weapon the student was able to put their hands on. Despite being relatively far north in the country where there are more people with hunting licenses.

And sure enough I believe they did manage to murder at least one person, it was a teacher or a teacher's aide who defended the other students. But that's where it ended. It requires significant strength and training to go on a killing spree with melee weapons, compared to firearms.

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Post by INTPenis »

sergiotapia wrote: post #207
INTPenis wrote: post #103

Americans in the comment section are reacting about this woman being a disgruntled user, angry about perceived discrimination from Youtube, down on her luck, suicidal. Me, a european, I'm reacting to how easily she found a gun. I hate to bring up this very toxic debate, my comment will seem like fishing for trouble. Yet you have to understand our perspective. Not every lunatic where I live can find a gun when they ne…

In every thread - every single thread - there's some euro guy with this exact comment verbatim. Line for line, word for word.

I know! I know! That's how stupid I felt writing the comment but I still had to say it because it's just that obvious to me.

And every single time people counter with the same arguments.

Background checks.

Knives.

Statistics.

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Post by rectang »

refurb wrote: post #318
rpiguy wrote: post #142

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Homicide has long been the number 2 cause of death in the workplace in the U.S. You can find statistics going back as far as 1992. Layoffs are indeed often a motivation. Hence the term, "going postal."

Homicide has long been the number 2 cause of death in the workplace in the U.S. That stat doesn't pass the sniff test, so I looked up some numbers[1]. In 2016, there were 500 workplace homicides in the US. No where near the 2nd most common cause of death. [1] https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf

It looks like it depends how you group the causes around it. A more easily defensible way to put it is that around one in ten US workplace deaths are caused by homicide.

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Post by nailer »

danso wrote: post #27
ep103 wrote: post #20

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Everyone is acting in their best interest, except youtube. Youtube has a product team, its their job to come up with solutions to problems like these. If they haven't found a solution, they haven't done their job. Full stop.

What is the "solution" here? There is only mitigation, it's not a problem that could ever be completely solved to the satisfaction of all parties.

Agreed it can't be solved completely (like a lot of problems), but a non-binary monetisation option (ie, content tags, where advertisers pick tags they'd like to include/excluse) would be a hell of a lot better.

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Post by majani »

ensignro2340 wrote: post #257
majani wrote: post #191

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Sometimes I wonder if YouTube should cut their losses regarding this whole revenue sharing thing. It's so far caused so much grief and losses for them and it doesn't seem to be able to sustain high quality content like it was intended to. Perhaps they should just leave YouTube to go back to its roots where people were just video sharing for sharing's sake and perhaps focus the money on YouTube Red where they can just…

I wonder the same thing sometimes. I remember being happy when they lowered the bar to entry to the Partnership Program. Now I think that was a huge mistake and they should think of phasing it out completely. Too many people have misunderstood where the money comes from and whether or not they're employed by YouTube (they're not).

Or maybe they could focus on just the video hosting bit which they are excellent at. Charge large creators for disk space and ad tools. Then they could outsource the ad stuff to partner ad networks who would take the brunt of the bad PR, but YouTube could take a cut from the ad networks revenue.

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Post by nailer »

timkpaine wrote: post #160
banned1 wrote: post #105

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CNN, MSNBC, mainly

that sweet, sweet koolaid

I dislike Donald Trump, but, for example the CNN fish feeding story (CNN zoomed into an existing video, to obscure the Japanese president dumping their box of fish food, then zoomed out to show Trump dumping his, and made up a story about Trump commiting a faux pas by dumping his first) is provably false, and still up on CNN's site with no retraction or apology.

Likewise The Gaurdian's headline about the 'unarmed' guy with a gun is his car, which they were forced to retract by the PCC.

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