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Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by yoz-y » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 3:26 PM UTC

chii wrote: post #275

yoz-y wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A big problem with automatic demonetization is that what frequently happens is that (let's assume that you are a popular Youtuber): You spend a lot of time and money to make a video. You upload it to youtube. It trips some random check and is flagged and de-monetized, you appeal. People come and watch your video, with this type of content the vast majority of views is in the few first days since publishing. Your appe…

> It trips some random check and is flagged and de-monetized this is the problem i think a lot of youtubers have. If only youtube can clearly say what they are checking or set guidelines for monetizations to follow. Of course, the issue they must have is that guidelines are often skirted around - youtubers (and internet in general) is known for attempting to edge towards the limits...

At least one possibility would be to add a possibility to pass the checks before releasing the video.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by salgernon » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 3:26 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #88

alehul wrote: post #79

> "The night before Nasim Aghdam opened fire in a courtyard at YouTube's headquarters Tuesday afternoon, Mountain View police found the San Diego woman sleeping in her car. She had been reported missing by her family in Southern California, and her father Ismail Aghdam told police she might be going to YouTube because she 'hated' the company. Police called the family at 2 a.m. Tuesday to say she'd been found and that…

Lone wolf crazies are the hardest to protect against as an open society. Say she was arrested and her gun confiscated. Nothing actually happened, so she'd be out on the street two days later and could go and buy another gun for a retry.

A mentally ill relative of mine in another state (us citizens here) threatened “to shoot” me in an email and asserted he had a gun. I contacted law enforcement in his area and they picked him up and based on his behavior and statements he was put in a 72 hour psych hold.

During this, the police and mental health workers were able to convince him to give up his gun.

This was about 6 years ago and as far as anyone knows, he hasn’t re-armed himself.

I guess my point: If you have a gun, you may feel justified in using it to solve your problems with violence (suicide or other). If you don’t have a gun, the friction of acquiring one could be sufficient to deter you from trying to get one.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by jacquesm » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 3:26 PM UTC

fricat1ve wrote: post #329

jacquesm wrote: post #284

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Yes they are wrong. "Victims"? The only victims in this story were the people that she shot.

The only person in this thread who used the word "victims" was you. This is a Burning-man-sized strawman.

No it wasn't...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16754694

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by baud147258 » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 3:29 PM UTC

ensignro2340 wrote: post #323

baud147258 wrote: post #228

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Well, it's not exactly panhandling, but more like a venue providing free spaces for artists. The venue is funded through advertissement and some of this money is given to the artists, taking into account the number of people looking at them. Because in that case, there's a content produced, which is used to bring people to the venue. But I agree on the rest of your point, relying on advertising and third-party servic…

Ah - I just saw this. Sorry I totally copied your comparison without meaning to. Thanks for getting what I meant despite my poor analogy.

You totaly can copy and improve my comparison, no harm done. You're welcome.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by jacquesm » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 3:29 PM UTC

salgernon wrote: post #332

jacquesm wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lone wolf crazies are the hardest to protect against as an open society. Say she was arrested and her gun confiscated. Nothing actually happened, so she'd be out on the street two days later and could go and buy another gun for a retry.

A mentally ill relative of mine in another state (us citizens here) threatened “to shoot” me in an email and asserted he had a gun. I contacted law enforcement in his area and they picked him up and based on his behavior and statements he was put in a 72 hour psych hold. During this, the police and mental health workers were able to convince him to give up his gun. This was about 6 years ago and as far as anyone know…

That's about the best possible outcome.

Unfortunately there are also plenty of counter examples where law enforcement was alerted and nothing happened.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by openasocket » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 3:30 PM UTC

ma2rten wrote: post #285

INTPenis wrote: post #103

Americans in the comment section are reacting about this woman being a disgruntled user, angry about perceived discrimination from Youtube, down on her luck, suicidal. Me, a european, I'm reacting to how easily she found a gun. I hate to bring up this very toxic debate, my comment will seem like fishing for trouble. Yet you have to understand our perspective. Not every lunatic where I live can find a gun when they ne…

I haven't thought about this before, but there is something about shooting someone with a gun that's more impersonal than stabbing someone. I am pretty sure I would never do something like this woman did, but if I was really angry at an organization I would see myself more likely to go to their headquarters and shoot everyone than go to stab everyone there.

There's certainly some arguments to be made in that vein. A stabbing is much more visceral and requires you to really commit to it, while pulling a trigger is simpler and farther removed from the violence of the act. There's also something to be said for training. Most people who own guns spend time shooting them, either through hunting or at a gun range, and so they know how to aim and shoot. And all that practice and repetition might make that action seem more "natural," they don't have to think as much about what they are doing. In contrast, very few people practice stabbing. As a caveat, though, FBI studies on the performance of their agents in the field have shown that proficiency on the shooting range is not really correlated with proficiency in (for lack of a better word) combat with firearms.

It should also be noted that while this may be the case for spree killings or maybe muggings gone wrong, it isn't necessarily the case for domestic homicide. Domestic violence incidents are characterized by great rage and aggression. Domestic homicide is often preceded by beatings and abuse. I don't really have any statistics or expertise here, but I feel like the sort of person who beats their spouse and is willing to kill their spouse with a gun isn't above killing their spouse with a knife, especially when the violence is happening in a fit of rage.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by Mithaldu » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 3:32 PM UTC

sergiotapia wrote: post #207

INTPenis wrote: post #103

Americans in the comment section are reacting about this woman being a disgruntled user, angry about perceived discrimination from Youtube, down on her luck, suicidal. Me, a european, I'm reacting to how easily she found a gun. I hate to bring up this very toxic debate, my comment will seem like fishing for trouble. Yet you have to understand our perspective. Not every lunatic where I live can find a gun when they ne…

In every thread - every single thread - there's some euro guy with this exact comment verbatim. Line for line, word for word.

That's because we euro tech people keep being invited by americans we know and/or work with to "come to the usa, it's great working here". And then we see stuff like this.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by fricat1ve » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 3:33 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #333

fricat1ve wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only person in this thread who used the word "victims" was you. This is a Burning-man-sized strawman.

No it wasn't... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16754694

Right, sorry, I missed that.

In any case, using loaded language doesn't change the validity of the argument.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by aninhumer » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 3:33 PM UTC

meri_dian wrote: post #72

aninhumer wrote: post #31

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Whenever something like this happens, people like to dismiss the situation by saying we can't possibly understand "crazy" people. It avoids having to consider the systemic reasons why something like this can happen. I'd imagine a significant part of it is that we live a society where some people can have their livelihood yanked away from them, with no support structure to help them, leaving them desperate and angry.

Yes, and the crazy people are the ones who, when desperate and angry, try to kill 3 innocent people and then themselves. I don't understand the equivocation here. It seems a symptom of the broad inability in modern social thinking to pin any responsibility on individuals. While this stems from our desire to root out systematic issues, which is necessary and important, it should not be the only thing we care about. In…

I would argue the opposite. We already have an intense culture of "individual responsibility" in many areas of society, and that's exactly the problem.

Because a culture that seeks to blame individuals for problems makes individuals extremely reluctant to actually accept responsibility for their decisions.

Consider how the airline industry investigates after a disaster: They investigate the circumstances leading to each bad decision, and then attempt to change the process such that it cannot happen again. This leads to individuals being forthcoming about their mistakes, and implements changes that actually solve the problem. This culture of focusing on systemic issues rather than individuals has made air travel extremely safe.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by djrogers » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 3:33 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #262

simias wrote: post #213

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I don't think he was defending the shooting but rather the fact that many so-called "pro" Youtubers feel like they're getting shafted. I think you built a strawman that makes it harder to discuss because you seem to equate "being unhappy with Youtube's monetization scheme" with supporting that shooter which is obviously inane. I doubt anybody here is saying that you should go shoot Google HQ if you're unhappy with th…

There is no such thing as a 'pro Youtuber'. That's about as silly as being a 'pro Mediumer'. There is such a thing as a professional blogger but they treat the thing as an actual business: with as much control over hosting and content delivery as they can get. The moment you use a third party service as the key component of your business you lose your 'pro' status.

>The moment you use a third party service as the key component of your business you lose your 'pro' status.

That's ridiculous on any number of levels. Are Pro hockey players not pro because they don't own their teams? Are salespeople not professional because they use SFDC as SaaS instead of their own handcrafted CRM? Hell, are devs not pros if they use GitHub, AWS, or GCP?