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Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by strken » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:07 PM UTC

deftnerd wrote: post #70

AlexC04 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Be sure to remind youtube of their power and responsibility after tragedy strikes. To be clear - they aren't actually responsible for an active shooter showing up on campus. It sounds like you're saying they could have some responsibility in someone coming to their office with a gun.

While they're not directly responsible, the problem was entirely of their making. They created a whole new profession (even my 8-year-old son wants to grow up to be a "professional youtubber") and then arbitrarily destroy careers. The created an environment where people could work hard to create their own destiny while giving themselves the ability to destroy those destinies without cause or recourse. It was only a m…

GP's contention is that the media was the ultimate cause of the destroyed careers, because it began the moral panic against ads on inappropriate content.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by walshemj » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:08 PM UTC

ajross wrote: post #33

mschuster91 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean a support team that has actual freedoms to help the customer and is not forced to operate on a script that has only one option to tell the customer: You're screwed. Or, even better: as here the case seems to be that the shooter depended on Youtube as income, why shouldn't she have the right to have her effective "firing" appealed in a proper court of law, like in Germany?

It's been alleged that her videos were genuinely controversial (vegan screed, animal violence depictions). How is a support team going to fix that? And the right to sue for redress of grievances is covered in the first amendment, for goodness sake. She didn't exercise it.

How is "vegan screed" controversial

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by INTPenis » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:08 PM UTC

Americans in the comment section are reacting about this woman being a disgruntled user, angry about perceived discrimination from Youtube, down on her luck, suicidal.

Me, a european, I'm reacting to how easily she found a gun.

I hate to bring up this very toxic debate, my comment will seem like fishing for trouble.

Yet you have to understand our perspective. Not every lunatic where I live can find a gun when they need one so to me it's clear as day that the issue is the availability of firearms.

There are always going to be disgruntled or unbalanced people but they can't be allowed to find a deadly firearm as easy as it is in the US.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by leshow » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:08 PM UTC

Klathmon wrote: post #15

sqdbps wrote: post #2

The media’s part in this: For whatever reason they started scouring youtube for “controversial” videos checking if they had ads (no matter how little views they had) then they would contact the advertisers for comment. Advertisers would initiate damage control and pull their ads from youtube. Youtube would explain that the numbers and views in question are insignificant and that this type of complex system can never…

This is absolutely a "no-win" situation in my mind. Everyone is acting in their best interests, and in many cases are acting benevolently, but the outcome is still awful. Obviously YouTube is going to cave to advertiser pressure and start to restrict what videos can have ads, their whole existence depends on it, and if I worked at YouTube i'd see demonetizing some videos as a welcome alternative to closing the whole…

> I don't blame the advertisers one bit from wanting to remove their ads from many videos. Once the media starts playing the game that "an ad on the video == the advertiser agrees with the message" I too would want to do everything I can to ensure that I'm not associated with bad things.

Why do we do that on youtube when we don't do that on TV? Do we assume that if you're ad runs during you agree with the jokes in it?

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by banned1 » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:08 PM UTC

Simulacra wrote: post #5

sqdbps wrote: post #2

The media’s part in this: For whatever reason they started scouring youtube for “controversial” videos checking if they had ads (no matter how little views they had) then they would contact the advertisers for comment. Advertisers would initiate damage control and pull their ads from youtube. Youtube would explain that the numbers and views in question are insignificant and that this type of complex system can never…

That's a very good analysis. You could apply that to just about anything in the news these days. What would you say are the worst organizations at manufacturing news?

CNN, MSNBC, mainly

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by walshemj » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:08 PM UTC

morley wrote: post #94

I'm really surprised at how many of these HN comments are so sympathetic to this murderer's cause. To me, this illustrates how dangerous this type of reporting is, this media obsession with the perpetrators of mass shooting. This is the problem that I feel utterly powerless against. You can make more mental health programs, pass more gun control legislation, pay more for security, but what can you do when the culture…

probably shows how concerned people are getting about the monopoly power a tiny number of companies.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by orasis » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:09 PM UTC

sqdbps wrote: post #2

The media’s part in this: For whatever reason they started scouring youtube for “controversial” videos checking if they had ads (no matter how little views they had) then they would contact the advertisers for comment. Advertisers would initiate damage control and pull their ads from youtube. Youtube would explain that the numbers and views in question are insignificant and that this type of complex system can never…

What’s with all of the conspiracy theory type comments on HN lately?

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by ensignro2340 » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:09 PM UTC

mtgx wrote: post #38

The YouTube ad-pocalypse was a set of terrible policy decisions from Google. They demonetized a ton of legitimate YouTube channels in a rush to appease their advertisers. Only after much outcry, did they re-enable the monetization for some of those more popular channels. But many channels remained affected by it. You would think that with all of this talk about "human-beating AI" lately, these things would be better…

“They demonetized a ton of legitimate YouTube channels in a rush to appease their advertisers.”

It’s almost as if the money those channels felt entitled to came from advertisers. /s

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by ben_jones » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:09 PM UTC

DanAndersen wrote: post #76

jacquesm wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is something very ironic about a person that is supposedly so careful about animal rights that they will change their diet to relieve the pressure who at the same time has no problems in bringing a gun into the offices of a free service and shooting random strangers.

There is sadly a small segment of animal-rights or environmental advocates who let their cause mutate into a sort of misanthropy or disregard for humans. At its mildest levels it manifests as the half-joking comments of "we don't deserve dogs" or "dogs are the best people" that are all the rage on imgur et al., at its more severe levels it becomes anger or violence against those perceived to be enabling oppression of…

Like PETA [1].

[1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/5b41o2/what_i...

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by sodafountan » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:09 PM UTC

matte_black wrote: post #41

arenaninja wrote: post #7

Man, I wanted to have a go at making a YouTube competitor, I think there's room for one, but SESTA makes me wary to have any platform that hosts user-generated content EDIT weary -> wary. Thanks wccrawford

Require videos to be approved by a human before being available to the public.

I don't think there's enough man hours in the world to accomplish this believe it or not, do you know how many hours of videos per day get uploaded to youtube?

edit: Just looked it up because I was curious, 300 hours of video get uploaded per minute to Youtube. That's 18,000 hours of content per hour meaning you'd have to hire that many people to work 24/7 365 days a year non stop just to view every piece of content uploaded to Youtube.