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Post by Wingwing »

hux_ wrote: post #205
adventured wrote: post #3

This looks like it's going to be an increasingly big problem for the platform giants, as it pertains to their increasingly aggressive speech restrictions. As they ramp those restrictions up, I'd expect the need for security to increase accordingly. A mentally unwell person is likely to feel targeted, oppressed, threatened, harmed, etc. by being silenced. They'll feel isolated and it'll very likely feel like a persona…

You are talking about people with mental illness. I think the platforms produce mental illness. If you influence and produce a certain kind of behaviour through appropriate reward mechanisms and then after a few years of conditioning reduce/remove the reward what do you think happens? Mental illness. YouTube has conditioned a generation of people to chant "subscribe like and share" like a robots. The day the "subscri…

Where has it been described that the woman was suffering from mental illness? That seems like a retroactive label.

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Post by nkrisc »

taneq wrote: post #9
adventured wrote: post #3

This looks like it's going to be an increasingly big problem for the platform giants, as it pertains to their increasingly aggressive speech restrictions. As they ramp those restrictions up, I'd expect the need for security to increase accordingly. A mentally unwell person is likely to feel targeted, oppressed, threatened, harmed, etc. by being silenced. They'll feel isolated and it'll very likely feel like a persona…

> A mentally unwell person is likely to feel targeted, oppressed, threatened, harmed, etc. by being silenced. Even a perfectly healthy 'normal' person will feel this way after being (what they see as) unfairly and arbitrarily silenced / disenfranchised.

I don't want to debate the state of her mental wellness as we can only speculate at this time, but I don't think a healthy person would feel that a tech giant is specifically targeting them, even if they think it might be unfair and arbitrary.

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Post by wu-ikkyu »

DanBC wrote: post #230
vowelless wrote: post #43

Firstly, my sympathies with the people at Youtube HQ. I have many, many friends in the bay area and so this kind of thing hits close to home. Secondly, I struggle when thinking about if we should give airtime to a shooter's grievances, or reasons. Or even mention who they are. I tend to be on the side of: don't give them any air time. And certainly, don't acquiesce to this type of behavior because it is almost by def…

We have "censorship" in Europe and we don't have people murdering others because of it. The problem isn't censorship. The problem is that the US is far more violent than other developed nations, and there is easy access to deadly weapons for anyone who wants one.

>We have "censorship" in Europe and we don't have people murdering others because of it.

Europe has a long history of mass murder intertwined with censorship. This history was the basis for the US Bill of Rights, notably the first and second amendments.

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Post by EleneShubladze »

celticninja wrote: post #327
EleneShubladze wrote: post #326

How does the discrimination and filtering on youtube justify the murder? I just don't get it.

Same way school shooters justify it to themselves.

You can't justify murder.

Edit: I didn't mean you personally.

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Post by spacehome »

wu-ikkyu wrote: post #306
spacehome wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not obvious to me. Could you say what you see in her?

Often times when someone commits an act of violence against powerful institutions in society they are automatically labeled insane/schizophrenic. It helps to shield the institution from any criticism and keeps the individual's motives from being closely inspected. In the Soviet Union, political dissidents were often labeled as schizophrenics and locked up.

That's kinda what I thought, but I figured I'd give twenty spot the opportunity to say what the signs are. I've not spent a lot of time around schizophrenics, so I wouldn't know what to look for. I have, however, spent a lot of time around Aspies and would have a gut feeling for that after watching for an hour, so it doesn't seem implausible to me that he sees something I don't.

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Post by dominotw »

nkrisc wrote: post #332
taneq wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A mentally unwell person is likely to feel targeted, oppressed, threatened, harmed, etc. by being silenced. Even a perfectly healthy 'normal' person will feel this way after being (what they see as) unfairly and arbitrarily silenced / disenfranchised.

I don't want to debate the state of her mental wellness as we can only speculate at this time, but I don't think a healthy person would feel that a tech giant is specifically targeting them, even if they think it might be unfair and arbitrary.

> I don't think a healthy person would feel that a tech giant is specifically targeting them

not specifically that person but people who think like him/her.

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Post by apcragg »

flukus wrote: post #85
grizzles wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like it. Considering that she would have needed to increase her views by 3 orders of magnitude to scratch out $100/month from them. She should have did affiliate marketing & patreon.

> She should have did affiliate marketing This is the modern version of "as seen on TV" ads, I've started unsubscribing to anyone that does it regularly. Advertising intermixed with content is the worst form of advertising.

But why? I understand that the content creators whose videos I enjoy need to earn a living. I understand that in video advertisements offer more stable income. I'm not expecting a free lunch when it comes to these videos that require lots of time, money, and skills. Sure, people used to make and still do make videos out of a passion for the subject but there is far more content now than there used to be. Some creators use Patreon, and I support the ones I really like using that platform but I can't do that for everyone. I think listening to an ad for a VPN service or for the new Intel products is reasonable to access the content I'm not otherwise paying for.

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Post by ssaew333 »

If you search her name on twitter, around 40% of what you see is right wing conspiracy theorists who assert, without evidence, that she was a member of ISIS. I also noticed a smaller percentage of people asserting, again without evidence, that she was an NRA member. And neither appear to be true.

How do these get spread on Twitter? Are partisans mindlessly voting them up? Are bots behind this?

Man, do I feel stupid for thinking the internet would be a force for good. That it would promote democracy, free speech, and critical thinking.

I look at Facebook and Twitter, and the bad greatly outweighs the good. I chose a career in web dev, thinking I would be doing something beneficial, but everything we've done amounts to nothing.

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Post by forgottenpass »

toomanybeersies wrote: post #117
vowelless wrote: post #43

Firstly, my sympathies with the people at Youtube HQ. I have many, many friends in the bay area and so this kind of thing hits close to home. Secondly, I struggle when thinking about if we should give airtime to a shooter's grievances, or reasons. Or even mention who they are. I tend to be on the side of: don't give them any air time. And certainly, don't acquiesce to this type of behavior because it is almost by def…

There are correct ways to start a discourse around censorship. Shooting people is not one of them.

I disagree with the premise of your post. There are not "correct" ways to "start a discourse" about censorship, because there are no ways to start a discourse about censorship.

There are a bunch of people doing the media dance around a topic, all within the confines of the status quo. The disagreements are loud, but the questions at stake are fixed. In appearing to debate conclusions, everyone is tricked into accepting the form of the argument.

The outcome of censorship arguments will be exactly the same as the outcome of privacy arguments: whatever benefits the system. Eich was run out of town on a rail after the status quo moved beyond thing he gave minor support to, while Zuckerberg is only experiencing a momentary PR blip until they can get everyone back on track of unironically defending his contract of adhesion as if it's not on-the-face abusive to end users.

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Post by ensignro2340 »

flukus wrote: post #85
grizzles wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like it. Considering that she would have needed to increase her views by 3 orders of magnitude to scratch out $100/month from them. She should have did affiliate marketing & patreon.

> She should have did affiliate marketing This is the modern version of "as seen on TV" ads, I've started unsubscribing to anyone that does it regularly. Advertising intermixed with content is the worst form of advertising.

Advertising intermixed with content is also the only type of advertising YouTubers actually have control of. It may be annoying or inconvenient but it's a hell of a lot better than them complaining about the site that hosts their content not doing the work for them.
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