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Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by tclancy » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 1:59 PM UTC

deftnerd wrote: post #70

AlexC04 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Be sure to remind youtube of their power and responsibility after tragedy strikes. To be clear - they aren't actually responsible for an active shooter showing up on campus. It sounds like you're saying they could have some responsibility in someone coming to their office with a gun.

While they're not directly responsible, the problem was entirely of their making. They created a whole new profession (even my 8-year-old son wants to grow up to be a "professional youtubber") and then arbitrarily destroy careers. The created an environment where people could work hard to create their own destiny while giving themselves the ability to destroy those destinies without cause or recourse. It was only a m…

>It was only a matter of time until one of those furious victims took up a gun to get revenge.

[citation needed, God help us all]

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by jacquesm » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 1:59 PM UTC

'De-Monetized' suggests that someone who produces a video has an automatic right to income. That's bonkers, it's already quite a service that Youtube allows you to upload your videos to reach an audience that you'd be hard pressed to serve from your own server. They do this for free. In the previous iteration of such platforms all the ad income would go to the owner of the website, not to the rights owners of the videos.

The company then decided to cut the producers of the content in on the advertising income. Some of those have apparently taken this to mean that they have an inalienable right to this income, to the point where they will take out their entitlement complexes on the employees of the company.

The terms of service are pretty clear about all this too.

If you want control over your content and you want to get all the advertising income associated with your content set up your own bloody server and leave youtube and it's employees alone.

On another note: I hate fanatics, no matter of what plumage.

Edit: And I hate their apologists as well.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by blarneystun » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 1:59 PM UTC

sqdbps wrote: post #2

The media’s part in this: For whatever reason they started scouring youtube for “controversial” videos checking if they had ads (no matter how little views they had) then they would contact the advertisers for comment. Advertisers would initiate damage control and pull their ads from youtube. Youtube would explain that the numbers and views in question are insignificant and that this type of complex system can never…

It's interesting how algorithmic the process of fabricating ( real or fake ) news has become.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by grigjd3 » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 1:59 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #46

bertil wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get how that gets some channel into trouble: politics, guns. Than channel was apparently a Iranian-American vegan animal rights activist. I’m not a vegan, but I don’t see the point in opposing them. Other than the banter about how in-your-face they can be, do people violently oppose vegans, or animal rights activists? She was upset over a workout video being age-gated: who would oppose that video?

There is something very ironic about a person that is supposedly so careful about animal rights that they will change their diet to relieve the pressure who at the same time has no problems in bringing a gun into the offices of a free service and shooting random strangers.

So one should be careful in interpreting the term animal rights. In the past, animal rights activists have burned down houses of medical researchers.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by jacquesm » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 1:59 PM UTC

patcheudor wrote: post #67

jacquesm wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is something very ironic about a person that is supposedly so careful about animal rights that they will change their diet to relieve the pressure who at the same time has no problems in bringing a gun into the offices of a free service and shooting random strangers.

Not really. It's common to support animal rights while despising humans. This is especially true amongst those who subscribe to the more fringe animal activism groups that as an example free animals used for medical or cosmetic testing from their 'evil human captors'.

They'll be shocked when they realize we too are animals.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by jacquesm » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:00 PM UTC

meddlepal wrote: post #71

sqdbps wrote: post #2

The media’s part in this: For whatever reason they started scouring youtube for “controversial” videos checking if they had ads (no matter how little views they had) then they would contact the advertisers for comment. Advertisers would initiate damage control and pull their ads from youtube. Youtube would explain that the numbers and views in question are insignificant and that this type of complex system can never…

21st century reporters or "journalists" as they like to be called seem to be the equivalent of schoolyard tattletales. The death of traditional media and "news" cannot happen soon enough.

Be careful what you wish for.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by stareatgoats » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:01 PM UTC

Funny how a very complex situation can be synthesized into a single perspective. Is this heading what will become the lasting impression of this tragedy?

I can imagine a few other possible and maybe more valid interpretations, none of them exclusive though. (I don't have all the facts so this list should probably balloon, or have items removed as facts unfold):

An example of how some people are so triggered by advocacy groups (in this case PETA) that it just takes a slight economic misfortune to bring out the guns?

An example of how when the shooter is a woman she is not really demonized the way guys are (even when being an immigrant)?

An example of immigrants in the US being pushed over the edge in view of current anti-immigrant policies?

An example of how the mentally unstable have ready access to guns in the US?

An example of how the final solution to personal insignificance in the US is to shoot innocents? The media will oblige with full page analysis of you, your childhood, family and neighborhood and make sure you are granted long lasting and global fame.

There are surely many more that has to be part of the full narrative. That last one is often forgotten though.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by jacquesm » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:02 PM UTC

alehul wrote: post #79

> "The night before Nasim Aghdam opened fire in a courtyard at YouTube's headquarters Tuesday afternoon, Mountain View police found the San Diego woman sleeping in her car. She had been reported missing by her family in Southern California, and her father Ismail Aghdam told police she might be going to YouTube because she 'hated' the company. Police called the family at 2 a.m. Tuesday to say she'd been found and that…

Lone wolf crazies are the hardest to protect against as an open society. Say she was arrested and her gun confiscated. Nothing actually happened, so she'd be out on the street two days later and could go and buy another gun for a retry.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by adnzzzzZ » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:03 PM UTC

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #74

contravariant wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to look at causes then I fear that it's not the monetization itself that's the problem but youtube's 'burned bridge' approach to communication. I've seen several people complain about the non-communicative stance YouTube has taken, leaving people with little to no ways of recourse. To me it seems likely that this person felt that this was the only way they could 'reach' YouTube.

With 50 million channels it's impossible to give quality communication to everyone, so they prioritize based on size/viewership/ad dollars. Top creators have great communications channels - nobody's don't. It's not YouTube's responsibility to stroke everyone's fragile ego. The problem is people thinking they are more important than they are and then going to extreme lengths to make themselves relevant. That's what ma…

>it's impossible to give quality communication to everyone

This is wrong though. See Valve for a counter example. Steam is also run by algorithms but Valve has managed to give people tons of information on what their algorithms are doing at various points on their store ("this game was shown to you because of X, Y and Z", for instance). The communication problem that YouTube has can be solved by them improving their product and letting creators see more of what their algorithms are doing behind the scenes, like Valve did with Steam.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Been 'De-Monetized'

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Post by frgtpsswrdlame » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 2:03 PM UTC

AlexC04 wrote: post #32

sqdbps wrote: post #2

The media’s part in this: For whatever reason they started scouring youtube for “controversial” videos checking if they had ads (no matter how little views they had) then they would contact the advertisers for comment. Advertisers would initiate damage control and pull their ads from youtube. Youtube would explain that the numbers and views in question are insignificant and that this type of complex system can never…

> Be sure to remind youtube of their power and responsibility after tragedy strikes. To be clear - they aren't actually responsible for an active shooter showing up on campus. It sounds like you're saying they could have some responsibility in someone coming to their office with a gun.

Actually I disagree. Obviously responsibility is shared and primarily owned by Nasim but some is also owned by youtube.

Think of it like this - does youtube bear some responsibility when creators leave the platform because of demonetization? Of course. Does youtube bear some responsibility when creators make lots of angry videos because of demonetization? Of course. Does youtube bear some responsibility when demonetization is implemented in a way that feels arbitrary to it's creators? Of course. Does youtube bear some responsibility for failing to stand up and protect it's creators from some of the advertisers demands? Of course.

The company makes decisions that affect some peoples lives in a profound way thus they also have some responsibility in the direct and indirect effects of those decisions.