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Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Posted Rants About the Company Online

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Post by danso » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 1:38 PM UTC

akamaka wrote: post #186

danso wrote: post #39

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> It's a pity that Google terminated those accounts - I don't know what scrutiny scares them. Because they don't want to encourage people to gawk at the death spectacle? This includes all the times a suicidal killer leaves behind a manifesto that could serve to inspire copycat killers.

The Elliot Rodgers videos are still up on YouTube, though. On the balance, it’s probably more helpful to allow people to understand what led up to these events rather than suppressing the shooter’s words for the sake of some theoretical safety benefit.

That's a good point. Apparently they were taken down temporarily before being reinstated: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/05/27/youtube-...

Also worth noting is that the shooter's family could have requested the takedown.

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Post by cookiecaper » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 1:42 PM UTC

lallysingh wrote: post #302

holstvoogd wrote: post #298

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Tru, but if it is your primary income, I can see how people get mad. Mind you, not, lets go shoot some people mad, but still. Being fired by a demonetization algorithm is kinda shitty. Loads of people rely on YT for there income and recent changes to the content algoritms are demonetizing all kinds of video's without any warning or clear indication that it happened (or why ftm) and no real recourse to fix things. It…

Aren't there any competitors that can come into this space?

Vid.me tried and failed: https://medium.com/vidme/goodbye-for-now-120b40becafa

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Post by akerro » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 1:43 PM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #288

danaliv wrote: post #227

So, nothing to do with a “boyfriend.” She didn’t even know the people she shot. Where on earth did that bad information come from yesterday?

Sexist assumptions, I'm sure. Male shooter? Bullied 4chan gamer nerd. Female shooter? Relationship problems. Middle-eastern looking male shooter? Terrorist.

She's vegan, it's possible that her brain shrunk, less brain power = making worse decisions. Veganism should be illegal or children and society should be protected from vegans, similar way as violent games are. /s

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10479226

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Post by bitL » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 1:44 PM UTC

bilbo0s wrote: post #305

bitL wrote: post #274

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I don't think it's about being "famous" (some narcissists of course would be like that). I'd treat it as a valid feedback from within a dynamic system that there's a built up pressure somewhere and it's time to do some tweaks for system to continue working, instead of saying everything is wonderful, the feedback was just a deranged singleton instance, or even that we need to double down.

Mass shooting? "...a valid feedback..." ?

If you look at the whole as a non-personal system, then yes. When you e.g. see your city has suddenly more murders than before, you probably take it as a valid feedback and try to do something about underlying causes.

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Post by JohnTClark » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 1:44 PM UTC

CryoLogic wrote: post #251

JohnTClark wrote: post #241

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I think you should consider her age. She is 39 (old) so it is hard to keep up with the new trends in web design and movie making, plus she doesn't look very smart.

I don't know if it's in the spirit of HN discussion to judge someone's intelligence by their looks.

I am not trying to insult her but I saw that "style" of making youtube videos and web sites in other people most of them are above 30 and not to bright. I saw similar videos from one old man that likes to talk about demons and how to save our souls from satan and he makes this videos with demons and people in some kind of old graphics.

ex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4BTBMe_Um4 he talks about how satan tempt us with womens.

Or take this guy for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87nkJquHnAU

They all think that what they do is nice and beautiful and nothing wrong with what they say or do. And I also remember hi5, they let you change color of your page and usually the people that were not that smart used a lot of ugly colors similar with these websites.

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Post by devmunchies » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 1:45 PM UTC

shi wrote: post #299

spacehome wrote: post #253

She's complaining about being censored. She would have been helped immensely by somebody showing her how to host her own videos on her own website.

No one visits personal websites to watch self-hosted videos nowadays. YouTube is not only about video hosting, but also about the large user base.

YouTube is so popular that it’s indirectly censoring private content by getting all the traffic.

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Post by wu-ikkyu » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 1:46 PM UTC

jl6 wrote: post #137

tristanj wrote: post #18

Looks like this is the culprit's website http://www.nasimesabz.com/index.html There are links to her (4?) youtube accounts, which have all been terminated. There's a link to her instagram, which has also been terminated, however there is a cached-copy here http://www.pictame.com/tag/yesilnasim

That’s a style of web design I’ve seen before - lots of colors, different font sizes, wall of text rants... something about it screams mental instability. See Time Cube for an extreme example.

Diagnosing mental illness based on someone's poor UI skills is dangerous pseudoscience.

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Post by MertsA » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 1:46 PM UTC

grizzles wrote: post #23

She's a disgruntled Youtuber. This is her website: http://nasimabc.com/ From her page showing a screenshot of her Youtube ad revenue dashboard: > Analytics Last 28 days > Views 366,591 > Revenue $0.10 Highlighted in Red: Revenue $0.10? There's also another bit where she shows her historical vs. current traffic and makes a reasonable case that she's getting down ranked. Interesting times.

There's some rather telling content on that site about her mental state.

http://nasimabc.com/sitebuilder/images/car_attack_nasim2-426...

She feels paranoid like everyone is out to get her and it probably didn't help that when YouTube "attacked" her online, it was direct, unambiguous, attributable to a distinct entity (to her at least), etc.

When she ran over some debris in the road she came to the conclusion that anti-vegan (she identifies strongly as a vegan) businesses hired unspecified criminals to harm or kill her, and that they did it because of the stickers on her car.

She might have honestly been deluded into thinking that YouTube wanted her dead.

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Post by swiley » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 1:46 PM UTC

apexalpha wrote: post #233

Gigablah wrote: post #229

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I wonder what prompted these changes in the first place.

A few months or a year ago Youtube was accused of 'sponsoring' alt-right vloggers who played a role in domestic US politics. These people uploaded videos to Youtube and got paid based on the views. Just like everyone really. But mainstream media kept blaming Youtube for enabling these videos. Even though they practically enable everyone as a neutral platform. So advertisers started to pull out of Youtube in general o…

This wasn't just right wing vlogers, the spread of ISIS is at least partially attributed to their videos posted to youtube. A few years ago when there was a research project on censoring them everyone said this would happen, it's a shame that it involved people getting shot.

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 1:47 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #278

trhway wrote: post #10

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>The platforms today are so large, it surely can seem like being cut off from society in general, like a human right is being revoked. probably similar to say imagine Bell's denying a landline in 197x because of your speech.

If your speech causes enough problems? Yes. Remember Kevin Mitnick was banned from using computers at all, and I think was banned from the phone system for a while too?

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