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Re: One of Estonia's first "e-residents" explains what it means

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Thanks for touching on some of the things I was expecting to read in the article. > you need to have half of your capital available always What does this mean, in a bank account?

Yes. If your balance at the end of the year isn't half of your starting capital, you need to tell estonian government officials how you are planning to recover from this horrible failure. I didn't know this on my first year and we just made a small investment at the end of the year that made the balance to drop at horrific 40% level which triggered alarms in the government. If you fail to satisfy them with your plan,…

No, it doesn't have to be cash in your bank account, as martkaru explained in the other comment.

I can start a company and declare a really expensive couch as it's assets in the balance and it would be ok.

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I signed up and got my ID delivered to my local embassy ... but they never replied when I tried arrange the appointment to pick it up (I got heaps of "your ID is in the embassy!" reminders via email however). Oh well, I'm sure it's useful if you manage to get it. Anyone picking their ID up in Vienna have a different experience?

Maybe you don't need an appointment, just go there to get it?

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post #115

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I realize it’s annoying, but the requirement to register “lost” share capital is a common one in Europe. Think of it as a warning flag to potential lenders. The default assumption in society is that limited liability corporations have enough assets that it’s safe to sell them something on credit, i.e. invoicing rather than cash. Forcing companies to register the fact that their equity is negative provides an easy way…

This is a good point. However for me the annoyance is not about reporting the decrease, it's the fact that if capital drops below 50%, government is now in control whether they exercise that control or not. I would understand something like 10% but 50% is just ridiculous to me.

I think the confusion here might be "starting capital" vs "registered share capital". You should set the registered share capital to the minimum allowed 2500 eur. Even companies making hundreds of millions of euros in revenue set usually set it to 25000 eur. You can then invest any amount over that as your actual starting funds without increasing the registered share value.

That way the company is only required to own at least 2500 eur in assets, which should not be a problem for any serious business.

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post #106

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LHV is for the merchant account, it's needed for EveryPay. Their price structure is not fully pay as you go: - there're no setup fees; but - there's a fixed monthly fee—a so called terminal fee of 20EUR; and - then there're the transaction fees—about 2.2% which is much less (!) competitive than Stripe's fees in the EU—1.4%. Although I like what I've seen so far, as an app-developer, the fixed monthly fee wasn't accep…

True, but EveryPay has 1 day settlement, instead of Stripe's 7 day settlement in the EU area, if that matters.

Ok

And back to LHV, I've seen the PayPal account verification deposit (two payments of a few cents made to one's account) appear extremely fast on the account—I think it was less than one hour.

Re: One of Estonia's first "e-residents" explains what it means

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post #115

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I realize it’s annoying, but the requirement to register “lost” share capital is a common one in Europe. Think of it as a warning flag to potential lenders. The default assumption in society is that limited liability corporations have enough assets that it’s safe to sell them something on credit, i.e. invoicing rather than cash. Forcing companies to register the fact that their equity is negative provides an easy way…

This is a good point. However for me the annoyance is not about reporting the decrease, it's the fact that if capital drops below 50%, government is now in control whether they exercise that control or not. I would understand something like 10% but 50% is just ridiculous to me.

I agree, 50% seems arbitrary. Finnish law only requires registration of negative equity.

In practice the difference between 10% and 50% is only 1000 euros though, assuming your company is registered with the minimum required share capital of 2500 €.

Re: One of Estonia's first "e-residents" explains what it means

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This is a good point. However for me the annoyance is not about reporting the decrease, it's the fact that if capital drops below 50%, government is now in control whether they exercise that control or not. I would understand something like 10% but 50% is just ridiculous to me.

I think the confusion here might be "starting capital" vs "registered share capital". You should set the registered share capital to the minimum allowed 2500 eur. Even companies making hundreds of millions of euros in revenue set usually set it to 25000 eur. You can then invest any amount over that as your actual starting funds without increasing the registered share value. That way the company is only required to ow…

Solid advice. I was stupid enough to follow the process estonian gov had laid out and it really didn't make this distinction at any point so I registered our full capital as share capital.

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post #120

I'm within the 1st year of e-residency + incorporation. Here're a few of my experiences. 1. Setup is not as straightforward as they claim, but it's still quite easy. It compares well to what I've seen in France (LegalStart, CCIs, etc.) and the USA (Clerky/C-corp, Delaware, etc.). Actually there's no (printed) paper work because all is digitally signed with your e-residency card—only that is a big plus. 2. Running the…

> I can pull out if needed

According eesti.ee, it will take around six months to close limited liability company in Estonia. So yes, technically you can pull out but if it's anything like other more obscure legal procedures in Estonia, good luck. Conveniently this is not mentioned anywhere in the nice looking promo sites either ;)

Re: One of Estonia's first "e-residents" explains what it means

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Let's take a small municipality and play. I'll take town board/administrator form of government, you take "meritocracy." In my form of government the board members run for office periodically. The ones who get the most votes win. Then they hire a professional bureaucrat to handle the day to day business of keeping a municipality up and running. Here's what I've got: * a discrete (and anonymous!) method to determine w…

> What's the way you measure and get consensus on community leaders' merit? I find the model of liquid democracy enticing: Every decision is voted on by the people of the community and because that would be overwhelming you can delegate your vote (in general, for a certain topic or just for a single vote) to someone you trust, like an expert in that area. Maybe people might get a little money for voting so experts wh…

How does that address the problem of complacency? Won't most of us just permanently delegate our votes?

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post #42

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That describes a ton of populist leaders throughout history though. Sometimes it is more beneficial to raise a mob and usurp power than to stay withing the system.

History has been defined more by classes and royalty and rich familes, and America has more people that have risen based on their ability to execute. My claim is that this creates a release valve of sorts where people that can execute can rise in ranks.

> History has been defined more by classes and royalty and rich familes, and America has more people that have risen based on their ability to execute.

Can you be sure that this assertion is true of both the past and the future?

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post #24

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Indeed. We all know "fall by the wayside" means "starve homeless." At least in countries like America.

Despite the propaganda, statistically the United States has one of the lowest starvation rates on Earth at .58/100,000 - half that of Norway. The majority are not homeless but rather shut-ins, uncared-for elderly or suffering from other mental health issues.

As a resident of Norway I'm interested in this statistic, please name the source.
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