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Tesla’s Musk Takes Charge of Model 3 Production as Problems Persist

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Re: Tesla’s Musk Takes Charge of Model 3 Production as Problems Persist

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He only overpromises when it comes to timelines. Most other things he actually achieves. Elontime is a real thing though...

FWIW a Martian year is 687 days.

Unfortunately that's not their financial year. They still need to generate cash or find more investors.

Re: Tesla’s Musk Takes Charge of Model 3 Production as Problems Persist

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I have no interest or involvment in Tesla. But from an outsider's perspective I can't help but notice that when you're this little company with no chance of making it, the press is very bulish about your company. As soon as you become large, they look up at you and can't wait to see you fall, overly negative. Who thought making cars was difficult? And mass production? And electrical cars, pushing the boundaries or ba…

His big problem is over promise. Yes, he promises big but does not deliver. The press loves to play both sides. It reports the promises and the lack of delivery on his part too. The press couldn't care either way as long as it brings in readers.

Oh come on ! The guy delivered the first practical electrical car and a freaking spaceship 10 time cheapers than the competition.

Show me somebody in this comment thread that remotely matches this.

Of course he messes it up and he is late. He is not creating a twitter clone.

Re: Tesla’s Musk Takes Charge of Model 3 Production as Problems Persist

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His big problem is over promise. Yes, he promises big but does not deliver. The press loves to play both sides. It reports the promises and the lack of delivery on his part too. The press couldn't care either way as long as it brings in readers.

Oh come on ! The guy delivered the first practical electrical car and a freaking spaceship 10 time cheapers than the competition. Show me somebody in this comment thread that remotely matches this. Of course he messes it up and he is late. He is not creating a twitter clone.

He still overpromises frequently, the model 3 is one example. His claims of how soon Tesla's vehicles will be self-driving ready is another.

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They don't have to suspend Autopilot as legally they can claim they require you to be fully alert at all times. Of-course this negates all benefits of Autopilot and still let's them continue to scam people into selling Tesla's as more safer than common adaptive cruise control.

https://youtu.be/6QCF8tVqM3I that is what happened in the recent fatality, tell me how that is even remotely acceptable regardless of disclaimers. I seriously doubt adaptive cruise control would do the same, the majority of them work by following other vehicles.

Adaptive cruise control plus lane assist would do same thing.

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I can only imagine how much experience and knowledge Elon is gaining by micromanaging (a good thing) this much, compared to say how much the top executive at other vehicle manufacturers have evolved to become. Edit: Downvotes on this comment? Really? What, do you think you're able to imagine the amount of experience he's getting? Do you think the top execs at other manufacturers have the same experience and hands-on…

From personal experience I can say that I am certain that both Dieter Zetsche and Harald Krüger know more about basically every aspect of producing cars than Elon Musk ever will. Both are very much hands-on people and have 3-4 decades of experience.

Even if they have lots of experience, they failed to see how that the market was going to have to seriously build evs. It took an 'idiot outsider' like Musk to push it as far as it can go. and now we know that separately from the business success of tesla that it's possible to make successful and interesting electric cars like teslas, but also other companies have interesting cars.

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There seems to be a strong anti-Tesla campaign afoot. I'm not surprised given that the entire auto industry wants them to fail and a significant portion of the auto industry (and unions, etc.) want EVs to fail in general. Tesla seems to be having some severe growing pains, but I have learned not to count Elon or any of his ventures out. Self-landing reusable rockets were impossible too according to pretty much the en…

> Self-landing reusable rockets were impossible too according to pretty much the entire aerospace industry. Only if they have forgotten the DC-X, which I doubt they have done.

of course the dc-x was yet another different flight vehicle that wasn't given enough time to be successful. and it was a bit different in that there wasn't a separate capsule from the launch rocket. if musk had his passionate engineering self behind it he could have made it work.

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The NHTSA faulted Tesla for the last fatal crash and its likely they will get faulted for the current. I am just shocked that after this one that they haven't suspended its use. The level of chutzpah this company operates at is very dangerous to its future but the public as well. The production issues are a whole different can of worms but the autonomous driving accidents are what the public sees. People need to unde…

Why aren't you convinced they ever plan to sell a base model? They've been very clear when in their production schedule they would ship the base model. It makes sense to get the production nailed down with all possible options then scale back for basic models then to start basic and go through production pains making more complex models.

I would think you always sell the cheap model after selling the expensive ones, especially if you are a smaller company with less money coming through the pipes.

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I can only imagine how much experience and knowledge Elon is gaining by micromanaging (a good thing) this much, compared to say how much the top executive at other vehicle manufacturers have evolved to become. Edit: Downvotes on this comment? Really? What, do you think you're able to imagine the amount of experience he's getting? Do you think the top execs at other manufacturers have the same experience and hands-on…

From personal experience I can say that I am certain that both Dieter Zetsche and Harald Krüger know more about basically every aspect of producing cars than Elon Musk ever will. Both are very much hands-on people and have 3-4 decades of experience.

Yet they never thought to move away from making cars with internal combustion engines and 2k parts vs 200.

Say what you want about how long it is taking them to get going, Tesla make excellent cars and the longer they make them the better they will be.

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Most people who understand how difficult it is to produce a new line of cars, or have been listening closely to what Elon has been saying pretty much expected that ramping up production would be hard and Tesla would miss their goals many times. Tesla has never delivered a car on time. But there is enormous demand for this car and they will eventually make it work. At the current run rate they are already able to prod…

This will become a problem if they run out of cash. Not delivering as many cars as planned is fine if you make a profit (or at least positive cash flow). But burning more cash than expected can be problematic. Especially if you constantly miss deadlines which means investors don't know if they should believe any of your plans. The second issue is that of competition. Model S didn't have any meaningful EV competition.…

Someone will give them cash. Elon will if nothing else.

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This will become a problem if they run out of cash. Not delivering as many cars as planned is fine if you make a profit (or at least positive cash flow). But burning more cash than expected can be problematic. Especially if you constantly miss deadlines which means investors don't know if they should believe any of your plans. The second issue is that of competition. Model S didn't have any meaningful EV competition.…

Someone will give them cash. Elon will if nothing else.

Does he still have that much cash? Would expect that SpaceX would have to cut if Tesla really needs money. I don't think Musk has much cash lying around that's not already in one of his companies.
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