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Re: Tesla driver reproduces fatal autopilot accident [video]

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Post by otempomores » Tue, Apr 03, 2018, 5:16 AM UTC

colechristensen wrote: post #74

mephitix wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a good point about whether they should be on public roads. At the same time, it's crucial to their success that they are and experience outlier situations. The hope is that by experiencing an outlier and making a mistake, the algorithms will be able to adapt to ensure that mistake never happens again. Humans today don't have this kind of networked, massively parallel mind to avoid the mistakes of others. Again,…

> it's crucial to their success ... I don't care about a company's success if it requires endangering members of the public who have no choice in the matter. If we were talking about, say, astronauts and test pilots who know the risks they take and make the choice, I'd have no problem with them risking their lives. We're not. >I think it'll be a long time before learning algorithms will take over the wheel completely…

Training on that accidents data would result in a car getting on the break pedal when ever it detects faint old line marketings in your lane. The car needs a good lidar to see if there are obstacles in its 3d representation of the worlf. If that doesn't work the pilot is "off" and only cruise control available.

Re: Tesla driver reproduces fatal autopilot accident [video]

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Post by andygates » Tue, Apr 03, 2018, 8:28 AM UTC

pasta wrote: post #16

jstanley wrote: post #7

This (video) is another instance where the lanes split apart but the part in the middle has absolutely no markings to indicate that you shouldn't drive there. This (photograph) is what it should look like: http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/24/67/2246762_3a6ea81... Is this (bad line painting) common in the US? Edit: on a second viewing, I think it actually does have some chevrons, but they're very faint.

Yes they are very faint. I think in rainy conditions humans might also be fooled by it.

Without prior experience, and without a stream of other vehicles to follow, I likely would. I hate slowly forking motorways with a passion.

Do any of the self-driving setups have a weighting for "follow the stream" that comes in when the road markings are crappy, I wonder?

Re: Tesla driver reproduces fatal autopilot accident [video]

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Post by calvinbhai » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 1:44 AM UTC

I dont own a Tesla, but have driven it and I am floored by the whatever level of Autopilot it had, but as a non-owner I still think I'd never trust the Autopilot 100% (its like when riding shotgun, I'm as attentive as the driver, or more). So, I'm not sure if the Autopilot feature is something that makes the owners trust it more, if they use it more often.

Now, Tesla doesn't claim it is Level 5 Autonomous Driving with "Autopilot". Nor does it say one can drive it handsfree.

Accidents can be much worse if someone drove hands/attention free with just the cruise control on.

In this case of the fatal accident, I'm really surprised that the driver (as per the family) knew the problem area very well, and yet was driving with the autopilot on and not paying attention.

Unless he let the Autopilot go on its own, on purpose, thinking that Model X is super safe, so a head on collision with the barrier would prove his point to Tesla, or the Autopilot became too adamant and refused to disengage, leading to the crash, not sure at what point Tesla can be held liable, if there's any.

Also, I thought those barriers are super safe with enough crumple zones. Wonder how crashing into a barrier like that could lead to such a fatal accident.