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Half of European flights delayed due to system failure

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Re: Half of European flights delayed due to system failure

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Post by ytwySXpMbS »

matte_black wrote: post #16

In situations like this I’m glad I book my flights with Chase Sapphire Reserve. It comes with a trip delay reimbursement for up to $500 per ticket if a flight is delayed more than 6 hours. No sweat!

I'm glad I live in the EU in such circumstances: EU regulation 261 [1] covers so much, with €250 to €600 compensation depending on flight distance for delays over 4 hours, with a percentage of full compensation for shorter delays. No specific credit card required.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_Compensation_Regulation...

Re: Half of European flights delayed due to system failure

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Post by repiret »

matte_black wrote: post #16

In situations like this I’m glad I book my flights with Chase Sapphire Reserve. It comes with a trip delay reimbursement for up to $500 per ticket if a flight is delayed more than 6 hours. No sweat!

I’ve never had a problem getting a refund from an airline (in the US) when I chose not to take a flight because it was significantly delayed.

Re: Half of European flights delayed due to system failure

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

SteveNuts wrote: post #9
isostatic wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Sure, the skies are more and more crowded, meaning more and more people will be affected by a once-in-20 year failure, but why would it happen more and more common?

Well the archaic systems are getting older and older. From what I've heard it's almost impossible to get replacement parts for some of the computer systems that run airports/airlines.

Eurocontrol does not run archaic systems.

Re: Half of European flights delayed due to system failure

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Post by kylegordon »

matte_black wrote: post #16

In situations like this I’m glad I book my flights with Chase Sapphire Reserve. It comes with a trip delay reimbursement for up to $500 per ticket if a flight is delayed more than 6 hours. No sweat!

Compensation is built into the EU regulations.

Re: Half of European flights delayed due to system failure

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Post by agumonkey »

SteveNuts wrote: post #9
isostatic wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Sure, the skies are more and more crowded, meaning more and more people will be affected by a once-in-20 year failure, but why would it happen more and more common?

Well the archaic systems are getting older and older. From what I've heard it's almost impossible to get replacement parts for some of the computer systems that run airports/airlines.

perfect replacement part maybe not, but you may be able to emulate some chips with cheap cortex-m/a or esp class

Re: Half of European flights delayed due to system failure

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Post by newnewpdro »

isostatic wrote: post #6
jumelles wrote: post #5

I fear this sort of thing is going to become more and more common at airports.

Why? Sure, the skies are more and more crowded, meaning more and more people will be affected by a once-in-20 year failure, but why would it happen more and more common?

If the reliability stays constant expressed as a rate (arguably optimistic), like ".1% failure per X flights", and the # of flights increases, then failures become more frequent.

Failure rates must decrease proportionally to the utilization/capacity increase for the # of failures to stay constant. Otherwise, the # of failures will naturally increase, it's simple multiplication.

For example:

If crime rates stay constant, but your population increases, you have more crime - not the same amount of crime as before. you have more terrorists, you have more school shootings, because your population doubled in size and you didn't cut the rates of abhorrent behaviors in half.

Air travel has _exploded_ in popularity, this is why you see all sorts of things more frequently than you did before. From reports of airline passengers being dragged off planes in totally asinine scenarios to deaths of pets in the cabin.

Re: Half of European flights delayed due to system failure

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Post by jimktrains2 »

ytwySXpMbS wrote: post #21
matte_black wrote: post #16

In situations like this I’m glad I book my flights with Chase Sapphire Reserve. It comes with a trip delay reimbursement for up to $500 per ticket if a flight is delayed more than 6 hours. No sweat!

I'm glad I live in the EU in such circumstances: EU regulation 261 [1] covers so much, with €250 to €600 compensation depending on flight distance for delays over 4 hours, with a percentage of full compensation for shorter delays. No specific credit card required. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_Compensation_Regulation...

Doesn't the end of this article state that that may not be in effect for extrodinary circumstances out of the airlines' control?

Re: Half of European flights delayed due to system failure

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Post by joezydeco »

matte_black wrote: post #16

In situations like this I’m glad I book my flights with Chase Sapphire Reserve. It comes with a trip delay reimbursement for up to $500 per ticket if a flight is delayed more than 6 hours. No sweat!

...for a $450 annual fee. If you plan to get kicked off a flight more than once a year, perhaps it's worth it.

Re: Half of European flights delayed due to system failure

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Post by [deleted] »

icebraining wrote: post #15
SteveNuts wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the archaic systems are getting older and older. From what I've heard it's almost impossible to get replacement parts for some of the computer systems that run airports/airlines.

Not sure about aviation, but in other industries they virtualize the old hardware on a new architecture, and keep the software going.

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Re: Half of European flights delayed due to system failure

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Post by lucb1e »

jimktrains2 wrote: post #27
ytwySXpMbS wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad I live in the EU in such circumstances: EU regulation 261 [1] covers so much, with €250 to €600 compensation depending on flight distance for delays over 4 hours, with a percentage of full compensation for shorter delays. No specific credit card required. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_Compensation_Regulation...

Doesn't the end of this article state that that may not be in effect for extrodinary circumstances out of the airlines' control?

I kind of doubt that matte_black's gamble (because that's what "insurance" is for costs which you could easily carry yourself if need be, unlike e.g. medical costs) would include that either. Then again, I'm surprised how many "insurances" cover things under your control (like dropping a device) so I might be wrong.
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