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Re: The End of Windows

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Post by Silhouette »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #583
vetinari wrote: post #571

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Put: "telemetry.enableCrashReporter": false, "telemetry.enableTelemetry": false, into vscode settings and you are fine wrt telemetry. What concerns me more is that the .rpm build is consistently later than other builds. Usually it means, that the user is staring 2 out of 4 weeks every month on update notification, that cannot be used, because the build is not ready yet. It brings back the memories of MSIE and WMP tha…

Put: "telemetry.enableCrashReporter": false,"telemetry.enableTelemetry": false, into vscode settings and you are fine wrt telemetry. ... for the moment, as far as you know. The problem is the trust thing, not the telemetry thing.

The problem is the trust thing, not the telemetry thing.

Yes, exactly, and trust is hard to earn but easily lost. Given the corporate philosophy of Nadella's Microsoft, and the fact that Nadella was made CEO in the first place when it was pretty clear what style of leader he was going to be, I don't see Microsoft ever regaining the kind of trust we used to place in it without fundamental changes that start at the highest levels. And sadly, as long as investors continue to buy into that vision, those changes are highly unlikely.

It's not often I feel so strongly about a business, but Microsoft's actions in recent years almost feel like a personal betrayal after being being their customer for so long and trusting them as a keystone of the tech industry. In this case, I really do regard them as "the enemy" now, and I really do hope that someone else will drive a wedge through a gap created by their customer-hostile strategy with painful and expensive consequences for their management and investors.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by bitmapbrother »

blackoil wrote: post #540
bitmapbrother wrote: post #464

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>Currently Android seems to have lost the tablet war on consumer electronic shops. And yet they still account for the majority of tablet sales. >People are either going for iPads, or hybrid laptops runnig W10. The W10 tablet market share is so low they barley even register. In fact, Microsoft Surface tablets aren't even visible on the following graph: https://www.statista.com/statistics/276635/market-share-held...

Most statistics, don't classify Surface Pro and other full desktop 2-in-1 as tablets. Small blip for MS was there ARM tablet

I don't see how the Surface Pro could be classified as anything other than a tablet since that's what it is. The type cover keyboard is a $160 option. It's also losing money and there are rumors that their Surface line will be cancelled in 2019.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/04/surface/

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by w0rd-driven »

candybar wrote: post #438

I'm surprised no one mentioned this but the biggest takeaway for me is that it moves Windows one step closer to becoming open source. We're still many steps away and it's going to be more like the hybrid model of Android or even OSX/iOS/Darwin and but it seems much more feasible now, even if it starts with baby steps.

Windows is touted as the largest git repository. What service like Github or Gitlab could handle something that massive? I'm sure they could scale eventually but if that ever happened MS would likely have to house the repository and at that point they might as well keep it closed source or open source with a subscription cost that goes into the infrastructure upkeep.

I'd honestly love for more portions of Windows to become open source and slowly work up to the full repository. I think there would be an immediate influx of 0days as people find holes but I would hope they would close quickly. It's still a very big gamble to let go of something you've literally built your foundation on but I do hope that instead of Windows silently going into oblivion that they'll open it up for the masses, even if they would no longer have the resources to support it. I feel like someone or company would step up.

Having said all that, I'm going on 4 years in mostly macOS. The missteps in High Sierra are pretty abysmal but not the end of the world. I hope Apple really changes their processes to keep the OS stable but I see this downward trend in just about all PC-like operating systems. It's like everyone sees the end of the line coming and they're just half assing every move they make. I think Meltdown/Spectre was a major blow that has probably single handedly slowed all momentum to a standstill. Granted my sample size is very small but I really hope I'm just looking at this big lull right before an evolution/revolution.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by Joeri »

bitmapbrother wrote: post #455
Joeri wrote: post #269

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The fact that they dropped the mobile market (where windows could not fit as very different hardware was involved in the beginning) doesn't mean they will miss the next shot too. Every single incarnation of windows mobile / phone was well tailored for the mobile hardware of the day. What sunk windows phone was not that it was slow, it was that it was late to go touch-first and failed to differentiate enough to make u…

You seem to be suffering from the same delusional thoughts that affected Myerson. This is such an utterly clueless explanation of why Windows Phone failed that it’s kind of stunning. Until, of course, you remember the culture-induced myopia I described yesterday: Myerson still has the Ballmer-esque presumption that Microsoft controlled its own destiny and could have leveraged its assets (like Office) to win the smart…

Well, that's a very myopic view of what happened to windows mobile. Windows mobile and blackberry owned the mobile enterprise market for years. Then the iPhone came around and despite not having any ecosystem at all (or even native app capability) immediately started displacing both of them rapidly. Microsoft and RIM both gambled for a long time that ecosystem would keep windows mobile and BB OS in place, and only realized that it wouldn't once iPhone and Android had taken most of their market away. Microsoft then concluded from this that ecosystem didn't matter as much as people thought it did, and that if their offering was good enough the ecosystem would materialize by itself. Windows phone was never good enough compared to iOS and Android for that to happen, so it failed. But, the underlying theory was not crazy given what had just happened in the enterprise mobile market.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by jsgo »

Viper007Bond wrote: post #410
StanislavPetrov wrote: post #400

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I've been using 2560x1080 for almost a year now and will never go back. 21:9 is the way to go.

What size is that? I run a 34" 3440x1440 21:9 and it's nearly a bit too wide. EDIT: https://www.asus.com/us/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/ROG-SWIFT-PG3... 100Hz is awesome, even for just browsing the web.

I have the same monitor and it is the first time I've started to run Windows apps more in actual windows than full screen/full screen-like. Too many sites waste a bunch of horizontal space on it, so makes sense to shrink the window.

Great monitor though. Both for gaming and for general usage.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by jsgo »

deno wrote: post #479
sjapkee wrote: post #437

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There is no real need in 4K resolution, so that's why is's not so popular.

People that think they don’t need 4K either haven’t seen a 4K display in person or have poor eyesight. It’s a leap like upgrading from HDD to SDD, in the display world. Unless you just need your monitor for gaming. New gen temporal aliasing mostly makes up for the lack of pixels.

That's not a need though. My computer needs a CPU and by extension so do I, but at the end of the day, a 4k display is a nice to have.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by jsgo »

Shorel wrote: post #576
alkonaut wrote: post #102

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They bet the farm on “store”. Why? Because they must have done the math and realized that the enterprise and “creative pro” desktop with classic expensive desktop apps is a dead end. Was that calculation correct? Who knows. But I have to think they did that analysis very carefully.

Yes, but the solution would be to do something like Steam, and sell normal Windows software in the store. Selling only WinRT software made all their efforts worthless. Forcing developers to provide Win32 and WinRT versions of software alienated software developers. Some of the calculation was correct. WinRT was not.

While I agree to a point, I do think the "wild west" nature of a lot of Win32 apps kind of prevented it as they couldn't manage the security. If there were some way to wrap the Win32 apps in their own individual sandboxes without hampering function, then I could see it working. But with everything else they have to get going, I guess it is too tough a nut to crack right now (if could be cracked).

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by 1123581321 »

sjapkee wrote: post #551
deno wrote: post #479

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People that think they don’t need 4K either haven’t seen a 4K display in person or have poor eyesight. It’s a leap like upgrading from HDD to SDD, in the display world. Unless you just need your monitor for gaming. New gen temporal aliasing mostly makes up for the lack of pixels.

I have a system with 7200 rpm HDD and system with SSD. Not so much difference. It was a waste of money. Just like 4K display.

Moving from a 7200 to a SSD would have made a big difference. Your boot time and program load time were cut in half or better. A lot of inconvenient actions like file search became easier to do frequently. I can only guess that you do almost everything via web on a newer machine to not notice much difference.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by charizardd »

freehunter wrote: post #320
ynniv wrote: post #121

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Established businesses aren't going to put their data in someone else's datacenter. Small to medium businesses perhaps, but all it takes is one downturn that tightens the purse strings, or one critical event that reveals their absolute dependence on a third party. SAAS solutions are fair weather, and while we've had a lot of good weather I don't expect them to be used for critical business functions in the long term.

>Established businesses aren't going to put their data in someone else's datacenter You are incredibly unbelievably wrong here. I work for a vendor known for incredibly high prices and have knowledge of basically the entire infrastructure of every one of my clients, and nearly all of them have a massive cloud strategy that's in-place right now. I even have clients shipping their security and compliance logs to the cl…

On the topic of cloud strategies and infrastructure, what are your thoughts on the Mulesoft acquisition? Does this foray into infrastructure software really make it that much easier for CRM to sell the rest of their SaaS stuff? Obviously a lot of CRM and potential CRM customers have hybrid models today, does this really help them dive two feet in with Salesforce for their pending 'digital transformation'?

Also, I don't want to get off topic but how does SIEM space fit into the infrastructure stack you see in the future? In security, what about the firewall vendors trying to become the central hub for managing the new security needs brought about by the cloud (CASB, endpoint, virtual firewalls, etc?). What about SaaS only Iidentity & access management solutions like OKta?--I hear they are a game changer, but is a cloud-only solution really the best positioned seller for something like this, especially considering the hybrid structure of most large orgs today (on-prem & off-prem/public cloud)?

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by kuzimoto »

deno wrote: post #549
kuzimoto wrote: post #514

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Just purchased two 1440p monitors and I love doing work on them. 25" and the PPI is just perfect for me. Anything higher resolution-wise requires a much larger display to be readable at 100% scaling. I'm adamantly against using scaling.

> I'm adamantly against using scaling. Why?

I guess I just don't see the point unless you're gaming, watching g 4k content, or doing graphic design. I tested out a 4k 28" and unless I had it at 200% scaling couldn't use it for longer periods of time. Sure it looks a little more smooth, but now you have to render 2.4x (Vs a 2560x1440 monitor) the amount of information for what I think is fairly little gain. I get more screen estate and still readable text with the 25" 1440p.

Perhaps my experience would have been better on a desktop, but this was for my work where I have a Surface Pro which when going from a docked to undocked state (or vice versa) with monitors that didn't match the same scaling as the surface resulted in graphical issues that can only be resolved by logging out then in again.

Also still come across apps that don't know how to scale so that can be really frustrating.

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