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Yahoo Dropped the ball on Google Instant in 2005

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Re: Yahoo Dropped the ball on Google Instant in 2005

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I'm a fan of the idea of the Google interface.

But I don't think it could have made up for an inferior search. If you don't get what you want, you won't care how quickly you get. By 2005, Yahoo had lost on the basic search infrastructure side and even revolutionary interface wouldn't change that.

I'm not even much of a fan of the present implementation of type-ahead on Google. On my machine with an average broad band connection, all it does blank my old results till I've typed my new results. It could be because I'm using Firefox on Ubuntu. Still.

Re: Yahoo Dropped the ball on Google Instant in 2005

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I remember, back when Instant was first ramping up staffing from prototype to production levels, saying,

"It's going to be a spectacular failure, but I am very, very glad that I work in a company where we can take risks like this."

(In my defense, remember that chart Google released today showing the resource usage of various incarnations of Instant? It was in the Prototype stage at the time, with a total cost roughly 10-20x existing websearch. We were talking about having to build new datacenters to support it. And the UI was nowhere near as polished; I found it very jarring to use at the time.)

I think there's a lesson for entrepreneurs in here somewhere: imagine where the technology could be, not where it is. Almost all innovations are pretty crappy when they first come out. That's a reason to improve them, not a reason to cancel them. Many problems that look impossible at first can be solved given enough engineering effort and creative thinking.

I think it also says a lot about the management style of Larry & Sergei vs. the MBAs at Yahoo. There's a tendency, as companies get bigger, to look at things rationally and say "We have $X to lose if this fails, and some uncertain $Y to gain if it succeeds. The chance of success is low. Let's not do it." Larry & Sergei say "Okay, we know what the risks are. $X is high but manageable, and $Y is unknown but potentially big. Let's do it."

Re: Yahoo Dropped the ball on Google Instant in 2005

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This is a textbook example of Yahoo's problems as a company (I'm an ex-Yahoo).

It's all there: poor execution (performance/quality), insufficient focus on the user experience, focus on per-search revenue rather than long term search share, and above all no appetite for risk. Say what you like about Bing, but they are at least throwing caution to the wind and trying new and different things.

Re: Yahoo Dropped the ball on Google Instant in 2005

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I remember, back when Instant was first ramping up staffing from prototype to production levels, saying, "It's going to be a spectacular failure, but I am very, very glad that I work in a company where we can take risks like this." (In my defense, remember that chart Google released today showing the resource usage of various incarnations of Instant? It was in the Prototype stage at the time, with a total cost roughl…

You know the claim that you need to keep founders around because they know how to take risks and rethink your basic corporate assumptions?

My opinion is that Larry and Sergei demonstrate that strength in spades at Google. Just look at the initiatives that they are pushing right now.

Re: Yahoo Dropped the ball on Google Instant in 2005

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post #14

I remember, back when Instant was first ramping up staffing from prototype to production levels, saying, "It's going to be a spectacular failure, but I am very, very glad that I work in a company where we can take risks like this." (In my defense, remember that chart Google released today showing the resource usage of various incarnations of Instant? It was in the Prototype stage at the time, with a total cost roughl…

You know the claim that you need to keep founders around because they know how to take risks and rethink your basic corporate assumptions? My opinion is that Larry and Sergei demonstrate that strength in spades at Google. Just look at the initiatives that they are pushing right now.

(When you post about Google articles I think you guys should remind people that (AFAIK) that you work there.)

Re: Yahoo Dropped the ball on Google Instant in 2005

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post #15
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know the claim that you need to keep founders around because they know how to take risks and rethink your basic corporate assumptions? My opinion is that Larry and Sergei demonstrate that strength in spades at Google. Just look at the initiatives that they are pushing right now.

(When you post about Google articles I think you guys should remind people that (AFAIK) that you work there.)

I figured that was implied because (hopefully) nobody else would know about Instant when it was in the prototype stage. Plus the whole "that I work in..." part of the quote.

Re: Yahoo Dropped the ball on Google Instant in 2005

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post #13

This is a textbook example of Yahoo's problems as a company (I'm an ex-Yahoo). It's all there: poor execution (performance/quality), insufficient focus on the user experience, focus on per-search revenue rather than long term search share, and above all no appetite for risk. Say what you like about Bing, but they are at least throwing caution to the wind and trying new and different things.

The difference is that Bing has nothing to lose and everything to gain. They'd probably be a lot more complacent with Google's market share.

Re: Yahoo Dropped the ball on Google Instant in 2005

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post #13

This is a textbook example of Yahoo's problems as a company (I'm an ex-Yahoo). It's all there: poor execution (performance/quality), insufficient focus on the user experience, focus on per-search revenue rather than long term search share, and above all no appetite for risk. Say what you like about Bing, but they are at least throwing caution to the wind and trying new and different things.

I particularly liked their version of Image Search, with "infinitely scrolling" results. It took a while, but Google eventually copied it.

That's what I love about competition: we users are the ones who win!

Re: Yahoo Dropped the ball on Google Instant in 2005

#20

As an ex-Yahoo!, this is exactly the sort of thing that cheesed me off while I was still working there. Best memory: not being allowed to use javascript-enhanced sliding panels for pagination, as the reduction in full page refreshes when navigating would have negatively impacted the Ad Impression stats. (That and the quarterly lay-offs. Good motivational tool, that one.)

One of the smart things in Instant for google with instant is positively impacting the Ad Impressions. (page load still not necessary - but ads refresh with the search results)

I won't be surprised if the idea sparked more as an effort for 'How do we increase ad impressions? ' than search assistance for user.

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