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Re: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X User Publishes Benchmarks and Overclocking Results

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Post by blackoil »

Aardwolf wrote: post #18

> It also comes with a clear fan, for better RGB light illumination than its predecessor which only had an RGB ring. How did the RGB naming trend get started? Rgb leds and colorful illuminated gaming pc's both already existed for decades. But only recently I saw the name RGB pop up in motherboards, keyboards, etc... as if it's something new

My hypothesis is, most assembling is now done by young gamers, as majority other users have migrated to laptop/tablet. So flashing PCs is now major chunk of the market.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X User Publishes Benchmarks and Overclocking Results

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Post by krylon »

drakenot wrote: post #21
Aardwolf wrote: post #18

> It also comes with a clear fan, for better RGB light illumination than its predecessor which only had an RGB ring. How did the RGB naming trend get started? Rgb leds and colorful illuminated gaming pc's both already existed for decades. But only recently I saw the name RGB pop up in motherboards, keyboards, etc... as if it's something new

I recently built a new PC so I had to wade into this space again. The main difference I believe is that many components themselves now have their own LED lighting. Before, it was primarily LED fans or light strips. Now, motherboards have their own LED line traces. Ram has it's own LED lights. There is also support to control the colors of these components from software.

I just wish the lighting told me something useful. If the CPU fan changed color to indicate temperature or CPU load, that would be really cool. Likewise, if RAM lighting indicated the rate of data transfer.

That would be pretty awesome. But all this fluff just to make PC more pretty seems pointless to somehow.

(Don't get me wrong, if you like that sort of thing, by all means, enjoy it. My sister's boyfriend has a gaming PC with a big glass window in the case so one can see all the pretty lights quietly shifting around. It is pretty, and I bet it's boatloads of fun to look at when tripping.)

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X User Publishes Benchmarks and Overclocking Results

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Post by IronBacon »

shmerl wrote: post #20
TwoNineA wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you want to upgrade the 1700X? What does the 2000 line bring other than a 15% (being very optimistic) performance gain?

Personally, because my CPU has a hardware bug[1], which is now worked around by disabling package C6 state, and I already went through RMA for the segfault bug, so I'd rather now get a newer CPU to begin with. [1]: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196683

I think I've read locks/hangs' reports even with newer APUs, and at this moment I'm not sure if disabling C6 state on package (or was it core?) is an effective workaround.

Or the suggestion to slightly increase voltage or a light overclock.

I wanted to upgrade to Ryzen but I don't want to spend time to troubleshoot the HW. Seems like it's only triggered on a BSD/Linux system, don't know if they were joking when they said that Windos is never that idle...

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X User Publishes Benchmarks and Overclocking Results

#44

Post by Deathmax »

zenexer wrote: post #39
invesari wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Updating BIOS is a common thing for newly released CPUs. Things like that are expected if you're building the PC yourself.

I've built a lot of machines, and I've never had to update BIOS just to get a standard CPU working.

You tend to if you use a motherboard with an older chipset with a newer generation CPU using the same socket (and it hasn't already been updated at the factory).

Intel example: Using a 7th generation Kaby Lake CPU on a 6th generation Skylake chipset motherboard. Example of required BIOS update: version 1.F https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/Z170-A-PRO

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X User Publishes Benchmarks and Overclocking Results

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Post by sunstone »

VladTheImplier wrote: post #3

Lovely news! This is my next CPU after many years of my trusty FX8350@4.8 GHz. Last time I waited for the second revision of the architecture to avoid the usual launch hurdles. Christmas is apparently coming in April this year.

FX-6300 over here. Been waiting to upgrade for a while and looking forward one of these new AMD cpus.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X User Publishes Benchmarks and Overclocking Results

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Post by shmerl »

IronBacon wrote: post #43
shmerl wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally, because my CPU has a hardware bug[1], which is now worked around by disabling package C6 state, and I already went through RMA for the segfault bug, so I'd rather now get a newer CPU to begin with. [1]: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196683

I think I've read locks/hangs' reports even with newer APUs, and at this moment I'm not sure if disabling C6 state on package (or was it core?) is an effective workaround. Or the suggestion to slightly increase voltage or a light overclock. I wanted to upgrade to Ryzen but I don't want to spend time to troubleshoot the HW. Seems like it's only triggered on a BSD/Linux system, don't know if they were joking when they…

> I think I've read locks/hangs' reports even with newer APUs, and at this moment I'm not sure if disabling C6 state on package (or was it core?) is an effective workaround.

For me it is. It's triggered by the firmware setting:

    Advanced > AMD CBS > Zen Common Options > Power Supply Idle Control = "Common current idle" (instead of auto)
That disables package C6 state for me (checked with zenstates.py), and freezes and random reboots disappear after that:

    C6 State - Package - Disabled
    C6 State - Core - Enabled
On auto setting for the above, I get:

    C6 State - Package - Enabled
    C6 State - Core - Enabled
And it highly annoyingly randomly freezes and reboots in such case.

Another workaround is in the linked thread, to compile the kernel with special rcu options, I tried that, and it works, but it's not really a good method.

> don't know if they were joking when they said that Windows is never that idle...

I don't think they are joking.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X User Publishes Benchmarks and Overclocking Results

#47

Post by ww520 »

nobleach wrote: post #4

As someone who purchased (early adopted) the Ryzen 5 2400g APU a couple of days after release, I regret every bit of it. We still don't have any motherboards that support it well. I've heard the ASUS boards do okay but they have to be flashed to a new BIOS version (with a different processor in the socket). I'm glad that folks like the hype, but the reality is just terrible.

I got a Ryzen 7 1800X machine from Dell and regret it. It crashes with different BSOD error codes from time to time. A great benchmark is useless if it can't be used smoothly.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X User Publishes Benchmarks and Overclocking Results

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Post by GiorgioG »

ww520 wrote: post #47
nobleach wrote: post #4

As someone who purchased (early adopted) the Ryzen 5 2400g APU a couple of days after release, I regret every bit of it. We still don't have any motherboards that support it well. I've heard the ASUS boards do okay but they have to be flashed to a new BIOS version (with a different processor in the socket). I'm glad that folks like the hype, but the reality is just terrible.

I got a Ryzen 7 1800X machine from Dell and regret it. It crashes with different BSOD error codes from time to time. A great benchmark is useless if it can't be used smoothly.

I wouldn't blame the CPU as much as I would blame Dell. I have had a Threadripper 1950x (2 Ryzen 7 1800X on the same chip IIRC) since launch day and have not had any stability issues (unless I try to overclock it over 4GHZ - but that's my own fault/doing.)

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X User Publishes Benchmarks and Overclocking Results

#49

Post by IronBacon »

shmerl wrote: post #46
IronBacon wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think I've read locks/hangs' reports even with newer APUs, and at this moment I'm not sure if disabling C6 state on package (or was it core?) is an effective workaround. Or the suggestion to slightly increase voltage or a light overclock. I wanted to upgrade to Ryzen but I don't want to spend time to troubleshoot the HW. Seems like it's only triggered on a BSD/Linux system, don't know if they were joking when they…

> I think I've read locks/hangs' reports even with newer APUs, and at this moment I'm not sure if disabling C6 state on package (or was it core?) is an effective workaround. For me it is. It's triggered by the firmware setting: Advanced > AMD CBS > Zen Common Options > Power Supply Idle Control = "Common current idle" (instead of auto) That disables package C6 state for me (checked with zenstates.py), and freezes and…

I've read of people that experienced hangs even with the RCU workaround.

About the C6 state is good to know, but the lack of some kind of official confirmation from AMD is kinda disturbing as it looks like the change to the BIOS came from them.

I'm really torn...

Edit: disturbing is not the right word, disappointing is better

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X User Publishes Benchmarks and Overclocking Results

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Post by shmerl »

IronBacon wrote: post #49
shmerl wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think I've read locks/hangs' reports even with newer APUs, and at this moment I'm not sure if disabling C6 state on package (or was it core?) is an effective workaround. For me it is. It's triggered by the firmware setting: Advanced > AMD CBS > Zen Common Options > Power Supply Idle Control = "Common current idle" (instead of auto) That disables package C6 state for me (checked with zenstates.py), and freezes and…

I've read of people that experienced hangs even with the RCU workaround. About the C6 state is good to know, but the lack of some kind of official confirmation from AMD is kinda disturbing as it looks like the change to the BIOS came from them. I'm really torn... Edit: disturbing is not the right word, disappointing is better

Yeah, lack of communication on these bugs from AMD is really annoying, especially since there is no way to know whether they are fixed in newer CPUs already or not.
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