You can't post this! This goes against the liberal narrative that all women are repressed by the patriarchy.
You will be tarred and feathered for speaking the truth.
Study shows salaries of young women 8% higher than men in peer group (2010)
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Re: Study shows salaries of young women 8% higher than men in peer group (2010)
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The adjusted gender pay gap is only a couple of percent. This suggests where the best opportunities for improvement lie: equalizing parental leave (so that the parental career penalty is distributed more equitably), decoupling health insurance from employment (to lower costs on business for parental leave), and so on.
>equalizing parental leave (so that the parental career penalty is distributed more equitably) If you mean giving the same amount of leave to both fathers and mothers, isn't that already the norm? Also, offering this is one thing, but getting parents to use it is quite another. Many fathers probably avoid taking so much leave precisely because it does harm their career. How would you fix that? >decoupling health insu…
> If you mean giving the same amount of leave to both fathers and mothers, isn't that already the norm?
The Clinton-era FMLA grants 12 weeks unpaid maternity leave. 25 states expand on that, and 25 do not.
> Many fathers probably avoid taking so much leave precisely because it does harm their career.
Some will take it. If utilization rates are not equal, that's not a reason to withhold the opportunity.
> I don't see how it would decrease costs on businesses for parental leave. Health insurance doesn't compensate businesses for having to pay people for time that they spend away from work
The FMLA only provides for unpaid leave. However, businesses continue to pay for health insurance during the leave period.
Re: Study shows salaries of young women 8% higher than men in peer group (2010)
#63You can't post this! This goes against the liberal narrative that all women are repressed by the patriarchy. You will be tarred and feathered for speaking the truth.
You didn't actually read the article did you? It doesn't really support your "point". If you're problem with other studies about the pay gap is that "this doesn't compare individuals across the same field and isolate solely for gender" then this study doesn't really help your point.
If your point is just that you're a dude and you're being reverse discriminated against, why not cite an 8 year old article as your best evidence! About as sound as anything else you're gonna pull out.
Re: Study shows salaries of young women 8% higher than men in peer group (2010)
#64"He attributes the earnings reversal overwhelmingly to one factor: education. For every two guys who graduate from college or get a higher degree, three women do." It's interesting itself that more women graduate than men. But equal pay means equal pay for people with similar qualifications doing similar jobs. This comparison means nothing to me.
>But equal pay means equal pay for people with similar qualifications doing similar jobs.
You can have equal or better qualifications than someone else with less or no degrees.
Just not formal qualifications...
Re: Study shows salaries of young women 8% higher than men in peer group (2010)
#65As other commenters have pointed out, these comparisons are confusing, especially when reported as headline figures. There is clear envidence for a “gender pay gap” - in that women get paid on average less than men. Whether that is a bad thing which we need to do something about is a different question, which heavily depends on your overall gender role opinions.
>There is clear envidence for a “gender pay gap” - in that women get paid on average less than men. If you control for education, years of experience, and skills there is no such gap.
Do you have a source for that claim? From what I’ve understood the gap shrinks to somehing like 4-8%, not that it goes away entirely. I would like studies if it goes away entirely (because I haven’t seen such a study).
Re: Study shows salaries of young women 8% higher than men in peer group (2010)
#66Sadly this same article would be unlikely to be published by Time in 2018.
Nice, an assertion that can neither be proved nor disproved. A perfect idea faraday cage. Also, as we can all see, it is still being published by time.com in 2018.
The person did say "unlikely" (which is more a statement of opinion than of a definitive claim), and given the cultural climate of 2018 we can draw reasonable conclusions about what the response to such an article, if first published in 2018, would be, and thus the likelihood that a publication like Time would publish it for the first time now.
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#67"He attributes the earnings reversal overwhelmingly to one factor: education. For every two guys who graduate from college or get a higher degree, three women do." It's interesting itself that more women graduate than men. But equal pay means equal pay for people with similar qualifications doing similar jobs. This comparison means nothing to me.
Might be related to the fact that white women have benefitted more from affirmative action than any other group. At least, that could explain part of the disparity in education.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Sadly "equal pay" means whatever you want it to mean. Exactly this. At a fundamental level every individual has an infinite number of "dimensions" (in ML parlance) associated with him, and "equal pay" people or groups will try and convince you that expected pay should be the same over a certain subset of dimensions while ignoring all the others. Invariably they will pick the most beneficial to that particular perso…
You cannot dismiss rigorous statistical analysis by arguing it can never encompass the full dimensions of the data. Of course it can't. The map is not the territory; it is a useful way to find our way around it. Ignoring the map is perilous, if not arrogant, even though it is merely a flawed representation of the real truth. You might argue that a specific study or meta-analysis contains a bias or misinterpretation,…
> You cannot dismiss rigorous statistical analysis by arguing it can never encompass the full dimensions of the data.
This simply means it's not rigorous. See Omitted-variable bias - from [1]: The bias results in the model attributing the effect of the missing variables to the estimated effects of the included variables. For example, including gender but not education or hours worked will result in attributing pay differences to gender, but including all relevant variables shows that's gender is irrelevant.
Re: Study shows salaries of young women 8% higher than men in peer group (2010)
#69"He attributes the earnings reversal overwhelmingly to one factor: education. For every two guys who graduate from college or get a higher degree, three women do." It's interesting itself that more women graduate than men. But equal pay means equal pay for people with similar qualifications doing similar jobs. This comparison means nothing to me.
Sadly "equal pay" means whatever you want it to mean. At some point the nurses union in Denmark argued that their education was roughly the same length as that of an engineer, so they should be paid the same on that basic. Completely ignoring that engineers spend five years at the university vs. the 3.5 years for nursing school and that engineers are pay wildly different salaries bases on their field of work. In my m…
Women are paid less not because their jobs are worth less, but because employers can get away with paying them leas. There are values other than market value. Society needs both nurses and engineers. Women and men should be equal not just in opportunity, but in outcome (ie, economic power).
In addition, women are usually the primary caregiver and disproportionately spend more time doing domestic labour (raising children, taking care of the home) which they are not compensated financially for. Women (or whomever is the primary caregiver in a family or does more domestic labor at home) should be paid more for fewer hours in the workplace.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
What we should mandate is transparency. We all think we are expert negotiators but we are all idiots. We will all be better off if all salary and all compensation information is public and easily accessible. Sadly, a lot of people think they have something to lose and will never support it.
I don't want my salary to be transparent. There is something called privacy. My salary is a private matter. I really don't believe I'm any kind of expert in negotiation.
Why? What benefit does that entail? Is is greater than the benefits of transparency?