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Tesla’s Musk Takes Charge of Model 3 Production as Problems Persist

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Re: Tesla’s Musk Takes Charge of Model 3 Production as Problems Persist

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There seems to be a strong anti-Tesla campaign afoot. I'm not surprised given that the entire auto industry wants them to fail and a significant portion of the auto industry (and unions, etc.) want EVs to fail in general. Tesla seems to be having some severe growing pains, but I have learned not to count Elon or any of his ventures out. Self-landing reusable rockets were impossible too according to pretty much the en…

> Self-landing reusable rockets were impossible too according to pretty much the entire aerospace industry. I guess they didn't ask the people who designed and built the Apollo lunar landing modules in the 1960s?

There is an implicit "on earth". Gravity wells being vastly different. If the earth was bigger then we wouldn't even be able to get to orbit.

Re: Tesla’s Musk Takes Charge of Model 3 Production as Problems Persist

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You know all 3 of these people well? Wow.

"Zetsche joined Daimler-Benz in 1976, working in the research department. In 1981, he became Assistant Development Manager at the Vehicles business unit. He became a member of DaimlerChrysler's Board of Management in 1998 and served as the President/CEO of Chrysler Group from mid-2000 to 31 December 2005, where he was credited with a turnaround of DCX's American operations. Since 1 January 2006 he succeeded Jürgen Sc…

Ever is a long timeframe especially if Tesla continues selling double yoy.

Re: Tesla’s Musk Takes Charge of Model 3 Production as Problems Persist

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The NHTSA faulted Tesla for the last fatal crash and its likely they will get faulted for the current. I am just shocked that after this one that they haven't suspended its use. The level of chutzpah this company operates at is very dangerous to its future but the public as well. The production issues are a whole different can of worms but the autonomous driving accidents are what the public sees. People need to unde…

The same rationale that applies for allowing cars with Cruise Control? Is it impossible to have a fatal crash when you set the car on cruise control and doze off? Chances are probably exponentially higher than that of a Tesla on an Autopilot.

>The same rationale that applies for allowing cars with Cruise Control?

Cruise control ll control the steering? I thought it just maintain the speed...

Re: Tesla’s Musk Takes Charge of Model 3 Production as Problems Persist

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I have no interest or involvment in Tesla. But from an outsider's perspective I can't help but notice that when you're this little company with no chance of making it, the press is very bulish about your company. As soon as you become large, they look up at you and can't wait to see you fall, overly negative. Who thought making cars was difficult? And mass production? And electrical cars, pushing the boundaries or ba…

His big problem is over promise. Yes, he promises big but does not deliver. The press loves to play both sides. It reports the promises and the lack of delivery on his part too. The press couldn't care either way as long as it brings in readers.

He only overpromises when it comes to timelines. Most other things he actually achieves. Elontime is a real thing though...

Re: Tesla’s Musk Takes Charge of Model 3 Production as Problems Persist

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The NHTSA faulted Tesla for the last fatal crash and its likely they will get faulted for the current. I am just shocked that after this one that they haven't suspended its use. The level of chutzpah this company operates at is very dangerous to its future but the public as well. The production issues are a whole different can of worms but the autonomous driving accidents are what the public sees. People need to unde…

The same rationale that applies for allowing cars with Cruise Control? Is it impossible to have a fatal crash when you set the car on cruise control and doze off? Chances are probably exponentially higher than that of a Tesla on an Autopilot.

No, the same rationale does not apply at all. It's not even close. Cruise control does nothing but maintain a set speed. No steering, no lane assist, nothing else. All drivers know that if they set cruise control, they are still in control of the car and have to remain aware of the road to handle all the actual driving while their foot gets a break. On the other hand, here was a conversation with my dad in his Model 3 yesterday:

Me: Why aren't your hands on the wheel?

Him: They don't need to be. It tells me once in a while when I need to touch the wheel.

Think about that for a minute. This is representative of your average driver. People are so blindly trusting of autopilot that they deliberately don't even touch the wheel at all, opting instead to play with their phone until the car nags them to pay attention for one second.

This is so completely different than cruise control that the two are barely comparable in terms of driver mindset.

Re: Tesla’s Musk Takes Charge of Model 3 Production as Problems Persist

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You know all 3 of these people well? Wow.

"Zetsche joined Daimler-Benz in 1976, working in the research department. In 1981, he became Assistant Development Manager at the Vehicles business unit. He became a member of DaimlerChrysler's Board of Management in 1998 and served as the President/CEO of Chrysler Group from mid-2000 to 31 December 2005, where he was credited with a turnaround of DCX's American operations. Since 1 January 2006 he succeeded Jürgen Sc…

I totally believe that reading resumes can support the conclusion, but stannol claimed they knew this info from personal experience.

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> Self-landing reusable rockets were impossible too according to pretty much the entire aerospace industry. I guess they didn't ask the people who designed and built the Apollo lunar landing modules in the 1960s?

There is an implicit "on earth". Gravity wells being vastly different. If the earth was bigger then we wouldn't even be able to get to orbit.

Wouldn't we just need to generate more velocity?

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They don't have to suspend Autopilot as legally they can claim they require you to be fully alert at all times. Of-course this negates all benefits of Autopilot and still let's them continue to scam people into selling Tesla's as more safer than common adaptive cruise control.

https://youtu.be/6QCF8tVqM3I that is what happened in the recent fatality, tell me how that is even remotely acceptable regardless of disclaimers. I seriously doubt adaptive cruise control would do the same, the majority of them work by following other vehicles.

I agree. It's one thing to say "the technology won't always save you from an accident" and entirely different to say "sometimes the technology will drive you into a wall".
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