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Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by Vel0cityX »

npunt wrote: post #455
sreque wrote: post #433

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a software developer, and I detest working on my mac laptop. At $lastjob I had a Linux desktop and it is, I believe, the most productive environment I have ever developed in. The job before, I had a windows desktop, and I prefer that to mac. You say you want to just "get things done expediently," but in my experience apple software is flat out inferior and OSX is the worst of the 3 major operating systems I have…

2/3s of all PR activity on Github is on a Mac, for what it's worth. Certainly the platform punches above its weight relative to market share. https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2017/102/?time=2...

That's because most GitHub activity is by frontend web devs. What about the rest of the world.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by exikyut »

Corrado wrote: post #656
bwat49 wrote: post #624

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and it's not going to work if I'm copying and pasting kernel code from Stack Overflow to get my trackpad to scroll the correct direction When was the last time you used a linux desktop, 2005? On any linux desktop I can think of (MATE, Gnome, KDE) this is a matter of going to Settings | Mouse & Touchpad | check or un-check the natural scrolling box as desired

Actually, I just installed the latest lUbuntu and am having this exact problem. The preferences don't have a way to select natural scrolling and I've been "fighting" with it for a couple of days now, changing mysterious values in config files and restarting X. Then when I think I have it figured out a system update happens and it resets back to the original scrolling. This is the real value of macOS. I agree that I l…

Do either of these work?

- https://askubuntu.com/questions/604002/mouse-wheel-scrolls-i...

- https://askubuntu.com/questions/819662/how-to-invert-touchpa...

(They're mutually exclusive; I put the 1st one 1st as undoing that one is a case of rerunning the command replacing the '1' with a '0')

If the first one succeeds, try putting the command you used into ~/.Xdefaults and see if it sticks. The 2nd approach puts info into a file anyway.

If these fail, what desktop environment are you using?

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by ianai »

Stranger43 wrote: post #189
gxs wrote: post #14

Steve Jobs mentioned in interviews what a hell of a job his teams did in the initial change to x86 and the immense work it required. I wonder what he'd say in this scenario. Not saying "Steve Jobs would have NEVER allowed this apple is going to shit", simply wondering if the effort required to move to x86 should be essentially discarded (depending on the implementation) Edit: I agree with the replies, they are a good…

It's also worth noting that the OS they migrated was not the one that ran on the bulk of the old ppc system but a relatively new Unix fork that at least at the time was pretty possix compliant.

Which is to say, they have experience migrating an entire platform to a different architecture. Not many companies have that background.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by viraptor »

quotemstr wrote: post #543
sreque wrote: post #433

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a software developer, and I detest working on my mac laptop. At $lastjob I had a Linux desktop and it is, I believe, the most productive environment I have ever developed in. The job before, I had a windows desktop, and I prefer that to mac. You say you want to just "get things done expediently," but in my experience apple software is flat out inferior and OSX is the worst of the 3 major operating systems I have…

So why are you sticking with it? Go out and get a nice Linux machine. Expense it. If you're working at a company too square to approve that, install Linux on your Apple laptop. If you're working at a company that won't even allow that, well, you have my condolences. Things to ask before you sign, I guess.

This works, but only for simple environments. Given a work environment where you have a choice of: a) prepared environment with all application dependencies available and a tested-by-everyone, one-click-install/update on a bad system, or b) preferred system, but you have to do all of that from scratch yourself... Sometimes the reasonable answer is "a", even if you're allowed to do "b" (on your own time of course)

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by pixel_fcker »

bwat49 wrote: post #624
freehunter wrote: post #612

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Here's the problem with saying "this is better for computer scientists": It's the same argument every time someone says "the Macbook Pro is not a professional device". Not every computer scientist has the same needs. There are a lot of CS folks who will never need to recompile a kernel or even get into the OS internals. For those people, having to do that is a major downside to any computer. So the obvious choice is…

> and it's not going to work if I'm copying and pasting kernel code from Stack Overflow to get my trackpad to scroll the correct direction When was the last time you used a linux desktop, 2005? On any linux desktop I can think of (MATE, Gnome, KDE) this is a matter of going to Settings | Mouse & Touchpad | check or un-check the natural scrolling box as desired

I’m using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS on a MBP and I cannot get the trackpad to work properly (right-click in the corner). I have to hand-edit confit files, the settings involved are undocumented, and it doesn’t work and I don’t know why. Even regular movement just feels janky compared to macOS.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by tracker1 »

Corrado wrote: post #656
bwat49 wrote: post #624

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and it's not going to work if I'm copying and pasting kernel code from Stack Overflow to get my trackpad to scroll the correct direction When was the last time you used a linux desktop, 2005? On any linux desktop I can think of (MATE, Gnome, KDE) this is a matter of going to Settings | Mouse & Touchpad | check or un-check the natural scrolling box as desired

Actually, I just installed the latest lUbuntu and am having this exact problem. The preferences don't have a way to select natural scrolling and I've been "fighting" with it for a couple of days now, changing mysterious values in config files and restarting X. Then when I think I have it figured out a system update happens and it resets back to the original scrolling. This is the real value of macOS. I agree that I l…

Ubuntu had an option for a couple years that let you choose, then they removed it... (bastards)

I tend to use it everywhere... running a hackintosh on my desktop now, and mbp for personal laptop, and work assigned is another mbp.

However, if they go off of x86, that may drive me back to linux to be closer to prod/deploy environment.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by rayiner »

bwat49 wrote: post #624
freehunter wrote: post #612

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the problem with saying "this is better for computer scientists": It's the same argument every time someone says "the Macbook Pro is not a professional device". Not every computer scientist has the same needs. There are a lot of CS folks who will never need to recompile a kernel or even get into the OS internals. For those people, having to do that is a major downside to any computer. So the obvious choice is…

> and it's not going to work if I'm copying and pasting kernel code from Stack Overflow to get my trackpad to scroll the correct direction When was the last time you used a linux desktop, 2005? On any linux desktop I can think of (MATE, Gnome, KDE) this is a matter of going to Settings | Mouse & Touchpad | check or un-check the natural scrolling box as desired

Used Linux on the desktop through college before switching to a Mac. It’s still not great. Maybe worse now, considering that now you’ve got X and Wayland to choose from and GNOME has somehow alienated everyone and fragmented. How do you set things up so you can use Remote Desktop/VNC into a GNOME desktop using Wayland?

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by mitchty »

israrkhan wrote: post #58
mitchty wrote: post #8

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Its hardly a report. It is at best a rumor. My strategy with any apple news: ignore it until its released or said from the horses mouth. Remember the iphones that had clickwheels like ipod rumors prior to the iphone? Thats what I consider this.

The clickwheel iphone "rumor", might have been true. During initial design of the original iPhone, both Scott Frostall (from Mac OS division), and Tony Fadell (from iPod division) were tasked with creation of iPhone. Both groups took their existing software (from iPod/Mac), and tuned it for a phone. Ultimately trimmed down OSX solution won over iPod's evolved firmware. I was reverse engineering iPod video/classic fir…

Sure it might have existed, but that isn't what was released. That version of the iphone might just have been a proof of concept or prototype, but it didn't end up a product.

Just like this rumor might be.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by eastdakota »

If true, and assuming the chip will be based around ARM, then this may be the final nail in Intel's server business. The biggest gate in adopting ARM-based servers is development and testing on a local environment. If x86 is being emulated and ARM is native then developing software for ARM-based servers just got a lot easier.
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