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Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by electricslpnsld »

fastball wrote: post #443
sreque wrote: post #433

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a software developer, and I detest working on my mac laptop. At $lastjob I had a Linux desktop and it is, I believe, the most productive environment I have ever developed in. The job before, I had a windows desktop, and I prefer that to mac. You say you want to just "get things done expediently," but in my experience apple software is flat out inferior and OSX is the worst of the 3 major operating systems I have…

What exactly does your development workflow look like where Linux was so much better than MacOS?

Not OP, but the LLVM toolchain provided by Apple is a bit clunky and missing features relative to what you get from a typical Linux distro.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by FridgeSeal »

Myrmornis wrote: post #446
sreque wrote: post #433

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a software developer, and I detest working on my mac laptop. At $lastjob I had a Linux desktop and it is, I believe, the most productive environment I have ever developed in. The job before, I had a windows desktop, and I prefer that to mac. You say you want to just "get things done expediently," but in my experience apple software is flat out inferior and OSX is the worst of the 3 major operating systems I have…

What apple software do you need to use? Sure, it's annoying not having the GNU command-line utilities. But `brew install coreutils` basically fixes that for me. I admit I don't work heavily with compiled languages on macOS so I can't comment on technical aspects of that. iTerm2 is not inferior to linux terminal emulators. The Apple laptops are quite obviously the best hardware experience out there. I mean obviously i…

I mean the laptops are great.

Provided you don't need a HDMI port. Or more than 1 spare USB port. Or am ethernet port.

You could get the touch-bar version, but I've read literally nothing but bad reviews and stories about that thing, plus tb versions have smaller batteries.

Yes, I could get a dock, but here's a better idea: how about apple chills out on their unnecessary-thinness fetish, and givese back some actual functionality in my laptop.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by bjoli »

sreque wrote: post #433
mark_l_watson wrote: post #229

This might just be a bargaining move on Apple’s part, but I don’t think so. I think that long term they are much better off controlling their entire hardware stack. I wouldn’t be surprised to even see them make their own display screens. As an Apple customer, I like this idea also. For 20 years, I used to be a desktop Linux fanatic and later became a fan of Android. In the last few years, I have switched to using all…

I am a software developer, and I detest working on my mac laptop. At $lastjob I had a Linux desktop and it is, I believe, the most productive environment I have ever developed in. The job before, I had a windows desktop, and I prefer that to mac. You say you want to just "get things done expediently," but in my experience apple software is flat out inferior and OSX is the worst of the 3 major operating systems I have…

I have long said that Mac os X is only useful as a way to start Emacs, but since 10.10 I am not even sure about that.

Of course it is a matter of taste. I get that. I still have to bite my tongue to not yell profanities whenever I hear anything about productivity and Mac OS.

Most of the time I keep my mouth shut. Now I just wanted to tell you that you are not alone. I have to use Mac OS at work. To avoid frustration I have started to let my soul and will leave my body before logging in and let my lobotomized shell I left behind just go with the flow. At least until Emacs is running full screen.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by npunt »

sreque wrote: post #433
mark_l_watson wrote: post #229

This might just be a bargaining move on Apple’s part, but I don’t think so. I think that long term they are much better off controlling their entire hardware stack. I wouldn’t be surprised to even see them make their own display screens. As an Apple customer, I like this idea also. For 20 years, I used to be a desktop Linux fanatic and later became a fan of Android. In the last few years, I have switched to using all…

I am a software developer, and I detest working on my mac laptop. At $lastjob I had a Linux desktop and it is, I believe, the most productive environment I have ever developed in. The job before, I had a windows desktop, and I prefer that to mac. You say you want to just "get things done expediently," but in my experience apple software is flat out inferior and OSX is the worst of the 3 major operating systems I have…

2/3s of all PR activity on Github is on a Mac, for what it's worth. Certainly the platform punches above its weight relative to market share.

https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2017/102/?time=2...

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by mythz »

mehrdadn wrote: post #445
electricslpnsld wrote: post #439

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> I also don't get what's missing from a modern Linux desktop Adobe software, for one.

I have also yet to find an IDE as nice as Visual Studio...

Many of JetBrains IDE's are better and they're cross-platform. I've switched to Rider after getting sick of constant white screen of deaths, crashes, locking and perf issues in VS.NET. Rider is on par with VS.NET/R# for C# and superior for pretty much everything else except for visual GUI designers - although I haven't used one seriously in over a decade.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by stjohnswarts »

samayylmao wrote: post #351
mark_l_watson wrote: post #229

This might just be a bargaining move on Apple’s part, but I don’t think so. I think that long term they are much better off controlling their entire hardware stack. I wouldn’t be surprised to even see them make their own display screens. As an Apple customer, I like this idea also. For 20 years, I used to be a desktop Linux fanatic and later became a fan of Android. In the last few years, I have switched to using all…

To play devil's advocate.. While you may trust them more, you can't deny they have had many significant software security issues of late. How could consumers trust the security of their chips?

Everyone has had security problem since I started in the industry 25 years ago. -everybody-

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by criddell »

Cyph0n wrote: post #418
criddell wrote: post #289

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Apple has done a very good job with documenting iOS security: https://www.apple.com/business/docs/iOS_Security_Guide.pdf If they included a management engine and produced a document like that, I'd be satisfied.

I always see this document linked to on HN even though it's a (relatively) high level description of what is happening on the device. Besides, there is absolutely no guarantee that Apple isn't just being "semi-open" with their security mechanisms. In other words, who is to say that there are no redundant, undocumented mechanisms in place? But I will concede that Apple is ahead of everyone else in this regard. It's ju…

You're right that a whitepaper isn't enough to be really sure. That takes disassembly of binaries and then you are still stuck with judging the trustworthiness of the hardware and I'm not sure how you solve that problem.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by derefr »

sreque wrote: post #433
mark_l_watson wrote: post #229

This might just be a bargaining move on Apple’s part, but I don’t think so. I think that long term they are much better off controlling their entire hardware stack. I wouldn’t be surprised to even see them make their own display screens. As an Apple customer, I like this idea also. For 20 years, I used to be a desktop Linux fanatic and later became a fan of Android. In the last few years, I have switched to using all…

I am a software developer, and I detest working on my mac laptop. At $lastjob I had a Linux desktop and it is, I believe, the most productive environment I have ever developed in. The job before, I had a windows desktop, and I prefer that to mac. You say you want to just "get things done expediently," but in my experience apple software is flat out inferior and OSX is the worst of the 3 major operating systems I have…

You seem to be conflating macOS with Macs. Have you running Linux on Apple hardware?

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by chuckdries »

electricslpnsld wrote: post #451
fastball wrote: post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly does your development workflow look like where Linux was so much better than MacOS?

Not OP, but the LLVM toolchain provided by Apple is a bit clunky and missing features relative to what you get from a typical Linux distro.

Macs ship with outdated versions of common bash commands and tools as well. Homebrew goes a long way to fixing this for me.
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