This might just be a bargaining move on Apple’s part, but I don’t think so. I think that long term they are much better off controlling their entire hardware stack. I wouldn’t be surprised to even see them make their own display screens. As an Apple customer, I like this idea also. For 20 years, I used to be a desktop Linux fanatic and later became a fan of Android. In the last few years, I have switched to using all…
Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel
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Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel
#352Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's hard to argue with the resounding success of Windows 8.
Its easy to succed when you have the monopoly in PC operating systems so success of Win 8 proves absolutely nothing. Touchscreen in PC is about as useful as a waterproof towel
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#353Earlier quoted context omitted.
If apple uses its own chips, I would assume that they would be aarch64 and not x86_64. Also, Microsoft has some magics for executing x86_64 binaries on aarch64 with good performance, so Apple may have a similar technology. We could end up with another situation similar to the Power->x86 transition that happened back in 2006. Or it could be nothing. This is a pretty thin article.
> Microsoft has some magics for executing x86_64 binaries on aarch64 with good performance, No, they have tech for executing i686 binaries on aarch64, not x86_64. Big difference. Meanwhile, High Sierra is the last macOS release to support 32-bit binaries.
"Without compromise". We'll see what this means later, but most likely it'll mean that macOS won't ship with a 32-bit runtime and you'll be able to download as you do with Java.
Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel
#354I mean, I doubt if more than perhaps 5% of Apple internal dev can take advantage of "tight integrat[ion] of new hardware and software." This integration probably takes form of either some specific app (think Pixel camera phone), some specific library, or compiler optimizations. The first one (specific app) can be accomplished much cheaper through add-on chips (guess what, that's what Pixel does). The 2nd and 3rd can be done much more effectively through a generally available chips (like, well, Intel's chip) since more people, from vendor's engineers to researchers to random open source ninjas, would be able to experiment and help out.
In other words, from a purely technical point of view, there is absolutely zero reason to do this. Whatever happens, Intel is among if not the best capable chip producers. And Apple is not "disrupting" (i.e. focuses on unaddressed aspect), but merely directly competing with Intel's core competencies. It's not Amazon entering details against WalMart's. It's Target's competing against WalMart's, except they don't have Target's existing competencies. Which, again, makes no technical sense.
On the other hand, if they want to completely lock in users......
Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel
#355Have anyone checked with adobe and autodesk if this essentially kills the professional mac workstation as a viable product going forward? I have no doubt they can make it fast and usable enough for the naive consumer living inside the bubble of what relatively inexpensive(consumer grade) app-store apps can do and that microsoft will release something pretending to be MS office for a new ARM macbook line, but photosho…
I don't see recompiling their next release with a different version of Xcode qualifying as "significant work".
Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel
#356Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's hard to argue with the resounding success of Windows 8.
Its easy to succed when you have the monopoly in PC operating systems so success of Win 8 proves absolutely nothing. Touchscreen in PC is about as useful as a waterproof towel
Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel
#357Is Apple competent enough to build an equally powerful CPU? Or is it a no-brainer for the kind of money they got?
Apple's Cash (77B) is about 1/3 of Intel's Market Cap (224B), maybe they could just buy Intel.
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#358Earlier quoted context omitted.
To what are you sarcastically referring? Apple's switch to PowerPC which gave them a performance lead over Intel for five years and kept them competitive for another five or Apple's switch to its own ARM Core designs which have given them a 12-24 month performance lead over the entire Android ecosystem? Bear in mind that Apple dominates the high-end desktop / laptop market, both in market share and profit share* whic…
He is referring of course to the PowerPC architecture. It did not have a performance lead over Intel for as long as you suggest. Even when it had a lead, it wasn't that big. (I bought the best G5 when it came out, so it's a painful memory) The problem with switching to a different architecture is that if it falls behind Intel, people will say "not as fast as a PC." If you stay with Intel and it falls behind, people s…
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#359Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's two problems with that story: first, the famous switch from PowerPC to Intel happened when the desktop was the king, and app developers had strong incentive to recompile programs to the new platform. Right now? Not so much. Second, while Apple's mobile processors are currently the best in ARM world, for "pro" desktop computers Apple needs desktop-grade processor. Making something comparable to i7 isn't such a…
> the famous switch from PowerPC to Intel happened when the desktop was the king, I though one of the major reasons for the switch to Intel was the power consumption and performance on laptops.
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#360Apple does have a good record of moving their OS and software from different architectures. 68XXX to PPC to Intel was not a horrible experience. Having gone through three transitions I don't remember a lot of pain - but maybe I am repressing it!
Unless you rely on a piece of software that does not receive any updates anymore. Then you're basically screwed. I am rather annoyed that Apple is going to break backward compatibility yet again for no good reason. Intel Mac's perform a perfectly adequate job and Intel couldn't really screw Apple because they are a rather good customer.