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Post by overcast »

johnchristopher wrote: post #172
overcast wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Email is a poor comparison, because you're connecting to millions of other people using gmail/yahoo/whatever, for free. The correct comparison would be if eMail was a universally paid for service. It would NOT be what it is today.

I am not comparing the aims or the essence of the service. I am expression the opinion that social networks can be a paid-for service just like email, music or video can.

Right, but the problem here is that social networks need to grow exponentially. Without massive growth, they are useless, because you're not connected to anyone else. Email works, because everyone has email, mostly because it's free. Which leads to fast adoption.

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Post by product50 »

busterarm wrote: post #164
EmilStenstrom wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The data is already in Grindr’s systems, this means it is ALSO at Localytics (and others). This is not as safe as if it was only in Grindr’s own systems.

And any of these companies could be purchased by some other entity and change their data privacy policy.

This is not really true. These companies entire model is handling data and they charge their partners for it. It is not a free product. As such, going off and selling the data is not really going to happen.

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Post by zrobotics »

ben_jones wrote: post #210
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #21

Even within its confines, Grindr's data are rich for blackmail. (Consider: images and messages sent and received within 100 feet of Capitol Hill.) It was recently acquired by an offshore billionaire [1]. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-12/china-tec...

Reminds me of the old KGB tactic where they would have agents seduce politicians and business men into compromising (recorded) sexual situations then use it for blackmail. I find it inevitable that many acting politicians on both sides of the aisle are being manipulated in this way.

-Now, I know you're familiar with the honey pot.

-Seducing and blackmailing a hot female enemy agent. I love the honey pot.

https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view_episode_script...

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Post by weaksauce »

seszett wrote: post #161
jacquesm wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Change of control is a huge problem when it comes to privacy sensitive data. That's also a big factor in why I have a problem with governments collecting data. You may trust the present day administration (or not...), but who knows what a future administration (or occupying force) is going to be up to (beside the obvious risk of a leak or a breach). The same goes for situations like bankruptcies and 'bad leavers', th…

> That's also a big factor in why I have a problem with governments collecting data. You may trust the present day administration (or not...), but who knows what a future administration (or occupying force) is going to be up to The standard example is how the Netherlands were rather religiously tolerant, but used to keep track of Jews for tax collection purposes before WW2. Then when the Nazis arrived, they had all t…

Why did they keep those records? Different tax rates for different religions? Seems like none of their business.

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Post by mbesto »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #21

Even within its confines, Grindr's data are rich for blackmail. (Consider: images and messages sent and received within 100 feet of Capitol Hill.) It was recently acquired by an offshore billionaire [1]. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-12/china-tec...

Another data point on why you should not take money or sell your business to Chinese investors. Their price points for pricing companies is strange (e.g. a lot higher than western pricing) and it would make sense that they're doing it for other, perhaps more nefarious, reasons.

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Post by ovao »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #138
ovao wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grindr wouldn’t be the only way to declare one’s STD status though. It could be omitted from one’s profile, but declared during chat, for example, or prior to hooking up.

Methinks you don't understand the problem space. Putting it in your profile is intended to save the afflicted from wasting tons of time and energy on a. talking with people who will immediately nope out when they learn your status and b. dealing with a lot of emotional BS from people who want to see themselves as nice but who aren't really ready to deal with you and your situation. That can be a hard enough conversat…

Given the current reality, you can do either of the following here:

A) Mark yourself as HIV positive in your profile, which Grindr will share with third parties.

B) Directly declare yourself as HIV-positive at some point in a conversation.

I’m not suggesting there are options without drawbacks.

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Post by seszett »

weaksauce wrote: post #214
seszett wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's also a big factor in why I have a problem with governments collecting data. You may trust the present day administration (or not...), but who knows what a future administration (or occupying force) is going to be up to The standard example is how the Netherlands were rather religiously tolerant, but used to keep track of Jews for tax collection purposes before WW2. Then when the Nazis arrived, they had all t…

Why did they keep those records? Different tax rates for different religions? Seems like none of their business.

I thought it was for this reason, though the sibling comment's link seems to indicate that we don't really know (and I trust him more than my memory).

It used to be common to tax different religions in a different way in some countries of Europe. Even today in Germany you are legally required to pay taxes to your church, and I have read multiple accounts of French expatriates who have discovered this only after a year of working in Germany, and getting significant amounts of back taxes to pay, as well as being required to be debaptised, etc, if they wanted to stop paying for that.

In France that would be unthinkable, but every country has its customs.

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Post by azinman2 »

olliej wrote: post #151

So vending HIV status is a straight up HIPAA violation, I'm fairly sure that's been found to be the case over and over again -- it doesn't matter what your business is, health information is covered by HIPAA. That's 250k per violation fine, and leaking status positive or negative is a violation. And every person, and every time they pass that information to every "partner" is a distinct violation.

Grindr isn’t claiming HIPAA compliance, so it doesn’t apply to them. They’re not a healthcare provider (or covered entity), so there’s no requirement for them to obtain HIPAA compliance.

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Post by astura »

odiroot wrote: post #186
pavlov wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet Tinder is just one of the 150 online brands owned by IAC, a company created by legendary TV executive Barry Diller. He probably knows the value of the data they have.

Wow, today I learned: Tinder, PoF, OkCupid, Match.com and more are owned by the same company.

Yeah and OkCupid's blog had a post that was very critical of match but mysterious disappeared when they were bought out.

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Post by saagarjha »

mbesto wrote: post #215
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #21

Even within its confines, Grindr's data are rich for blackmail. (Consider: images and messages sent and received within 100 feet of Capitol Hill.) It was recently acquired by an offshore billionaire [1]. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-12/china-tec...

Another data point on why you should not take money or sell your business to Chinese investors. Their price points for pricing companies is strange (e.g. a lot higher than western pricing) and it would make sense that they're doing it for other, perhaps more nefarious, reasons.

Acquisitions for a company's data is not something that's limited to China.
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