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Post by Silhouette »

news_to_me wrote: post #109
jumelles wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wouldn't trust a governmental agency to aggressively fulfill it's mission. My impression is that in general they're too much at the mercy of politicians. I think this sort of attitude is a big problem - instead of throwing our hands up and deciding that regulatory agencies have always been and thus will always be toothless, we need to give said agencies more power to enable them to actually enforce the rules. Rig…

> Companies that break the law should regularly never, ever recover financially. Personally I would have this reworded to "Companies that regularly break the law should never, ever recover financially." As much as I believe things are tilted too far in favor of companies these days, it is true that over-harsh regulation on business can be very bad — particularly when it becomes harder to start new businesses. But I a…

This is an important point, I think. If our ultimate goal is to incentivise good practice, we have to deal with a range of problems from simple ignorance of good practice or what the law requires through to gross negligence or "wilful ignorance" situations. If you have a business that is acting in good faith but makes an error in judgement or isn't aware of some specific regulation, there is no sense taking a punitive stance. Obviously if their actions have caused damage to another party then compensation may be appropriate, but otherwise constructive engagement is likely to work best. On the other hand, if you have a business that is knowingly and deliberately acting in bad faith, there may be little point in being constructive, and the penalties need to be significant enough to force them to change (or their business to fail).

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Post by jdgoesmarching »

saosebastiao wrote: post #107
pavlov wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> regulation hampers growth Is there proof of this? Some countries like Germany and Sweden are both highly regulated and have fastest economic growth in the West.

Yes, all regulation hurts economic growth. The mechanism is simple: regulatory compliance is a cost. If it's a fixed cost like most regulation, it becomes a barrier to entry. If it's a variable cost, it reduces labor productivity. HOWEVER, some regulation may improve net economic growth by improving the functioning of markets such that it overcomes the costs that compliance imposes. Therefore the discussion of regula…

This guy economics.

But seriously I'm tired of so many armchair Libertarians spouting their one semester of economics understanding. Most of them never read past your first statement.

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Post by Symbiote »

overcast wrote: post #10
ordinaryradical wrote: post #5

We need a new business model for social media, one which actually serves the customer instead of trying to lure them into productizing themselves.

So you're going to pay to use it right? If this imaginary product managed to get 1% of Facebook to hand over their credit card. That would be the most wildly successful pay to use application in existence. Will never happen. Social Media sites rely on mass adoption, among those who refuse to pay for just about anything.

Grindr has a paid-for upgrade, called Grindr XTRA. I wonder if paying users, who don't see ads, also don't have their data shared?

https://help.grindr.com/hc/en-us/articles/115008879108-What-...

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Post by jacquesm »

hluska wrote: post #119
kayfox wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you could also just not fill it out in the first place. To be clear, this is public profile information displayed to any user of the Grindr app.

Except that if a user fills in a Grindr profile, they believe they are only sharing information with Grindr/its users. The truth is that they share all of the information (in less than secure ways) with a variety of third parties and fail to disclose that fact. That's illegal in many countries (including mine) and it demonstrates an unbelievable lack of regard for user privacy or safety.

Not only does it get shared, it gets shared in bulk. That's a huge difference between the intended use and what actually happens.

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Post by ovao »

lumberjack wrote: post #104
overcast wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're going to pay to use it right? If this imaginary product managed to get 1% of Facebook to hand over their credit card. That would be the most wildly successful pay to use application in existence. Will never happen. Social Media sites rely on mass adoption, among those who refuse to pay for just about anything.

People will hate this suggestion on ideological grounds but a mandatory tax to fund an NGO is the way to go. Something like a $1/person/year tax is already plenty of money if you are just trying to maintain bare bones social networking platforms, without all the added surveillance and advertising machinery.

NGO?

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Post by pavlov »

saosebastiao wrote: post #107
pavlov wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> regulation hampers growth Is there proof of this? Some countries like Germany and Sweden are both highly regulated and have fastest economic growth in the West.

Yes, all regulation hurts economic growth. The mechanism is simple: regulatory compliance is a cost. If it's a fixed cost like most regulation, it becomes a barrier to entry. If it's a variable cost, it reduces labor productivity. HOWEVER, some regulation may improve net economic growth by improving the functioning of markets such that it overcomes the costs that compliance imposes. Therefore the discussion of regula…

> all regulation hurts economic growth [...] some regulation may improve net economic growth

What definition of "economic growth" are you using for your first claim? It doesn't seem to match the common expectation. I'd assume that net growth is what we care about in the context of public policy.

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Post by Kalium »

alex_young wrote: post #114
saosebastiao wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, all regulation hurts economic growth. The mechanism is simple: regulatory compliance is a cost. If it's a fixed cost like most regulation, it becomes a barrier to entry. If it's a variable cost, it reduces labor productivity. HOWEVER, some regulation may improve net economic growth by improving the functioning of markets such that it overcomes the costs that compliance imposes. Therefore the discussion of regula…

>> Is there proof of this? > Yes, all regulation hurts economic growth. What about the proof of that? What basis are you making the assertion on? It seems like some regulation can promote growth. For instance, regulation on product safety increases consumer confidence in the safety of those products and creates a broader market for them.

Upon careful reading of the comment to which you are responding, I found that it neatly addresses very precisely the keen, sensible, and reasonable point you have raised. Perhaps you have had an experience significantly from mine?

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Post by chimeracoder »

mrkurt wrote: post #26
hackcasual wrote: post #14

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They have the option of not sending HIV status to any third party.

I don't think the distinction between "third party service" and "hosting company" is all that clear. You're sending data to a third party service when you host an app on AWS. The only data protection you have is contractual.

> You're sending data to a third party service when you host an app on AWS.

Amazon neither receives nor requires access to the raw underlying data (in this case: data in your database indicating HIV status, or decrypted bodies of requests sent over TLS indicating same) when you host your web services on AWS. While, yes, it's possible for a dedicated attacker to intercept and snoop on this data, it's (a) not easy, and (b) very much outside the bounds of the scope of the relationship you have with them.

Contrast to the setup described here, where the third parties in question both received and required access to the raw underlying data in order to perform the services they were explicitly contracted for.

You may not think this is an important distinction, but legally, it is, and it makes a world of difference.

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