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Re: Grindr Shares Personal Information With Third-Parties

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Post by smt88 »

deltron3030 wrote: post #65
pavlov wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> regulation hampers growth Is there proof of this? Some countries like Germany and Sweden are both highly regulated and have fastest economic growth in the West.

Who's growing is the more important question. Regulation benefits the already big.

> Regulation benefits the already big

"Regulation" isn't guaranteed to do anything. Some regulations benefit already-big, some harm them. Some have no effect at all.

Lack of regulation is guaranteed to benefit already-big, though. Unchecked corporations become oligopolies or monopolies.

Free markets (meaning free movement, not free of regulation) and consumer protection are impossible without regulations, though.

Re: Grindr Shares Personal Information With Third-Parties

#102

Post by kayfox »

bognition wrote: post #93
kayfox wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can delete the data from your profile.

lol, that means nothing. It most likely means that data is marked as deleted but the original values are retained.

Well, you could also just not fill it out in the first place.

To be clear, this is public profile information displayed to any user of the Grindr app.

Re: Grindr Shares Personal Information With Third-Parties

#103

Post by anigbrowl »

hackcasual wrote: post #14
morley wrote: post #8

For what it's worth, the most private data here is shared to analytics companies for Grindr's only analytical use. My guess is that Grindr's agreement with Apptimize and Localytics asks for the strictest possible protection of that data. If anyone at Apptimize or Localytics has access to that data, I'd be incredibly surprised. This sort of deal isn't the same as sharing the HIV status to Google or Facebook so that ad…

They have the option of not sending HIV status to any third party.

Why would you ever default to an opt-out for that information? That's like saying "people should read the contracts" while waving about a 10,000 EULA in 6 point type, or burying an option checklist so deeply that most users don't even know it's there.

“But the plans were on display…”

“On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.”

“That’s the display department.”

“With a flashlight.”

“Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.”

“So had the stairs.”

“But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?”

“Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.”

Re: Grindr Shares Personal Information With Third-Parties

#104

Post by lumberjack »

overcast wrote: post #10
ordinaryradical wrote: post #5

We need a new business model for social media, one which actually serves the customer instead of trying to lure them into productizing themselves.

So you're going to pay to use it right? If this imaginary product managed to get 1% of Facebook to hand over their credit card. That would be the most wildly successful pay to use application in existence. Will never happen. Social Media sites rely on mass adoption, among those who refuse to pay for just about anything.

People will hate this suggestion on ideological grounds but a mandatory tax to fund an NGO is the way to go. Something like a $1/person/year tax is already plenty of money if you are just trying to maintain bare bones social networking platforms, without all the added surveillance and advertising machinery.

Re: Grindr Shares Personal Information With Third-Parties

#105

Post by blueline »

zoe1337 wrote: post #34
ordinaryradical wrote: post #5

We need a new business model for social media, one which actually serves the customer instead of trying to lure them into productizing themselves.

I really want to see diaspora* taking over and the beginning of the decentralization era.

>the decentralization era

do you have any reason to believe that this will be "a thing" beyond highly obscure internet subcultures like HN and reddit?

Re: Grindr Shares Personal Information With Third-Parties

#106

Post by Joeri »

pavlov wrote: post #43
billmalarky wrote: post #7

It's become clear over the last year there is a strong need for a data privacy regulatory agency in US government. I understand that regulation hampers growth, but the tech industry is mature and developed to the point that it's time to reel in "moving fast and breaking things" a bit.

> regulation hampers growth Is there proof of this? Some countries like Germany and Sweden are both highly regulated and have fastest economic growth in the West.

Bad regulation hampers growth, good regulation induces growth.

As I see it, the problem in the U.S. is that the current political system is incapable of producing good regulation, partly because of the deeply flawed voting system and partly because of a collective belief that government cannot be effective (producing that exact outcome).

Re: Grindr Shares Personal Information With Third-Parties

#107

Post by saosebastiao »

pavlov wrote: post #43
billmalarky wrote: post #7

It's become clear over the last year there is a strong need for a data privacy regulatory agency in US government. I understand that regulation hampers growth, but the tech industry is mature and developed to the point that it's time to reel in "moving fast and breaking things" a bit.

> regulation hampers growth Is there proof of this? Some countries like Germany and Sweden are both highly regulated and have fastest economic growth in the West.

Yes, all regulation hurts economic growth. The mechanism is simple: regulatory compliance is a cost. If it's a fixed cost like most regulation, it becomes a barrier to entry. If it's a variable cost, it reduces labor productivity.

HOWEVER, some regulation may improve net economic growth by improving the functioning of markets such that it overcomes the costs that compliance imposes. Therefore the discussion of regulation cannot be divorced from the quantitative and qualitative merits of the specific regulation proposed, and therefore must be considered on a case by case basis. The idea that regulation can be proven good or bad in aggregate is a fools errand.

Re: Grindr Shares Personal Information With Third-Parties

#108

Post by jbattle »

ordinaryradical wrote: post #5

We need a new business model for social media, one which actually serves the customer instead of trying to lure them into productizing themselves.

I'm actually not that optimistic, but it seems like after nearly two decades of declines due to the internet, serious news outlets are getting more people to pay for online newspapers

https://techcrunch.com/2017/03/04/why-newspaper-subscription...

Maybe it will take another 10 years, but this gives me some hope that as consumers become more sophisticated (and jaded towards new trends), there's a chance society at large will be willing to pay real money to sidestep the worst side effects of ad-driven products.

Re: Grindr Shares Personal Information With Third-Parties

#109

Post by news_to_me »

jumelles wrote: post #84
DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's become clear over the last year there is a strong need for a data privacy regulatory agency in US government. I wouldn't trust a governmental regulatory agency to aggressively fulfill it's mission. My impression is that in general they're too much at the mercy of politicians. I suspect a more effective strategy is to enact legislation that makes companies liable under civil law, with private citizens empowered…

> I wouldn't trust a governmental agency to aggressively fulfill it's mission. My impression is that in general they're too much at the mercy of politicians. I think this sort of attitude is a big problem - instead of throwing our hands up and deciding that regulatory agencies have always been and thus will always be toothless, we need to give said agencies more power to enable them to actually enforce the rules. Rig…

> Companies that break the law should regularly never, ever recover financially.

Personally I would have this reworded to "Companies that regularly break the law should never, ever recover financially."

As much as I believe things are tilted too far in favor of companies these days, it is true that over-harsh regulation on business can be very bad — particularly when it becomes harder to start new businesses.

But I agree with your sentiment. To a large degree the government is as good as we make it.

Re: Grindr Shares Personal Information With Third-Parties

#110

Post by moate »

kayfox wrote: post #82
loceng wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Makes me think that data should be treated differently in the case of a potential new owner, allowing users to opt-out from their data from being transferred; you may trust the leadership and governance, and may not trust whomever takes over or who will newly has access to the data.

You can delete the data from your profile.

Do you have any idea how hard/illegal it is to hack into those servers and manually delete every file relating to JUST your profile without alerting an admin?
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